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babail
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You were wrong. A non-violent Gandhi was insipration to Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King Junior.

If armed struggle would produce better results, look at Palestine and it's suicide bombers. It didn't produce the desired result besides making the world more sympathetic towards Israel.



Good to know some ppl. were inspired by him. Not me. As I said it lead to thousand more being dead because of his idea of non voilence. Otherwise we would have acheived freedom way before 1947

If that's true maybe they should have let the world war 2 continue for 5 -6 yrs more. Had America not bombed Japan WW2 could have continued more yrs. Actually according to you, every country should have said, hey guys come we will not raise our arms, but you can keep on killing us. We'll all follow Gandhi's principle. Hey we could all be Nazi's then. Actually today the whole world would be a Nazi world.

Though I can't fully support Bush for everything, but Terrorists are becoming an issue across the globe. Good for him by putting terror in their hearts for a change. Or maybe everyone should have again followed Gandhi's principle.

There is a limit till where trying to keep peace etc work. After that it's war.


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India being a democracy has all the valves to reduce the pressures in a social system that practices caste based divisions - a small upper caste elite enjoying the most of the wealth while a large lower caste never recieved it's rightful place before independence.



Show me which country in this world doesn't have this problem. Same thing here in Canada, USA. Richer are just getting more richer, while poorer or lower middle class are just some making their ends meet. Also don't thk that all the lower class are really poor. Go to a dhobi ghaat where the dhobi's live and clean clothes. Check their houses. They have AC's, cars, hifi stereo systems, washers etc in their houses, while most lower middle class working after educating themselves can't even afford a scooter easily. The reason being is no charges for electricity as they steal it, no tax on salary, no water charges .........................


 
Post ID: 69521 09-03-06 12:53:59
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dineshc
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hi Babail
No babail.... dont criticize Gandhi...

The only right way is the way that works..and it worked for us....
He was the key in getting our independence....

When one man is having gun and we only have swords that is the best way other than dying...

He may have made mistakes..but he was just human and i do believe he did the best he can ....

Read panchatantra...
When u face a far superior enemy (in technology)..u dont fight...
u fight only ur equals and below...

The End result is More important after all ...

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Post ID: 69523 09-03-06 13:04:35
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babail
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hi dineshc

it's a matter of opinion. You have yours and I have mine. Nothing wrong about that.
There were other ppl. who were fighting too, Bhagat Singh, Chandrashekhar, Jhansi ki Rani etc, how can we put their efforts to zero saying what Gandhi did was right. Independence wasn't because of Gandhi alone. Each day there were more followers of great freedom fighters like Bose (who died in a very controversial manner) and the britishers were getting afraid day by day because of these fighting ppl not ppl like Gandhi. Yes they write it was Gandhi, but really more and more ppl. were becoming voilent and they knew they didn't have enough ppl. to control the whole of India. In reality they were more afraid of the voilent ppl. not Gandhi, because they knew it was a matter of few more yrs, they'll be wiped out by the aggression in these ppl.

Naturally eventually everything will work. U could open the vedas and read and read about law of gravitation or sit around for 4000 yrs more for another person to see an apple fall down and come to the same conclusion. What's the sense of wasting all that time.

Read Bhagwad Gita, a person who doesn't fight for a just cause is a sinner. A person who allows sin to happen and just stands there like a coward and says let them do it we will not raise our hand is a coward.
Its better to die in a battle for a cause than to sit there and see ppl. being killed around you. It's good to try to solve things peacefully but if it doesn't work don't keep on taking crap.

The part of panchatantra which you quoted if I remember it clearly or maybe I read it somewhere else, don't fight that person on that ground. Retreat and define a new strategy and fight him on ur grounds and you will win. Also you can't become superior by sitting hand on hand practising non voilence when everyone is practising voilence. What gave India to make Vajpayee the most famous person for 1999-2000 because ppl. admired him for his guts to stand up and do the blasts. Not like Congress who have always been just words. I remember the youth were so happy about it. Made them feel proud. Everytime Agni, Trishul were tested their happiness went up knowing our country is something. What made millions of Indian's to send support to India when US and some other countries put trade restrictions and support to India after the blasts. Everyone single person felt proud of India at that time. Or maybe you have forgotten about it. It's not about war or terror, it's about saying we can stand up for ourselves.


 
Post ID: 69540 09-03-06 14:10:09
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tamilkuravan
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Babail
Babail's quote
" Had America not bombed Japan WW2 could have continued more yrs."
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Babail,
you are wrong in this one. Japan was already defeated and was to decalre it.
America bombed them for 2 reasons
1. To take revenge for pearl harbour
2. To show russia that it has atomic weapons and to show the might of America. It was a warning to russia to curtail their war ambitions.
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Post ID: 69549 09-03-06 14:45:54
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dineshc
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mm
yeah i have read gita..
but all our violent fighters did nothing other than dying... yeah they did give up their lifes ..but for what? what was the result?
a person who fights foolishly is stupid...

read mahabharatha..they wait till they have formed as much strength as they can before they fought..the pandavas dint try to take all of the enemies alone

and i just wanted to say gandhi did do what he did with all hecould..so there is no need to disrespect him..yeah he could have done a lottttttt better..but we know now..after several generations we look back and kind see his mistakes easily..but if u/i was in his position?

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Post ID: 69556 09-03-06 15:08:25
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babail
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TK

there is big gap between "has" and "was"

Russia was with the allies. So what war was Russia looking forward too??

And it was not to curtail Russia's war ambition, it was the ambition of US to be the first one to burst a Atomic weapon.


 
Post ID: 69558 09-03-06 15:14:40
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tamilkuravan
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Though Russia was with the allies, the allies knew that this partnership was just to defeat hitler who was trying to conqur russia on Germany's eastern front.
History says that america wanted to indicate to russia not to gain territories by agreession both on its western and eastern front.
Remember that Stalin was a dictator and he had killed more number of people in Russia than.... (there was a statistics but i donot remember that now) i.e. he has killed a significant number of his own citizens. Stalin's father was a drunkard and he used to beat stalin and his mother daily
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Post ID: 69564 09-03-06 15:27:20
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Azazf
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Russia was with the allies. So what war was Russia looking forward too??



May be the cold war :D

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Post ID: 69565 09-03-06 15:31:29
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Though Russia was with the allies, the allies knew that this partnership was just to defeat hitler who was trying to conqur russia on Germany's eastern front.
History says that america wanted to indicate to russia not to gain territories by agreession both on its western and eastern front.
Remember that Stalin was a dictator and he had killed more number of people in Russia than.... (there was a statistics but i donot remember that now) i.e. he has killed a significant number of his own citizens. Stalin's father was a drunkard and he used to beat stalin and his mother daily
TK



History can say a lot of things. Things are "coming to light " that America wanted to go into the war, that's why Pearl Harbour happened. The first bomb was not by Japanese ship, it was by Americans. Even after being told about Japanese fleets moving towards US, White house turned a deaf ear. They let it happen. History is easy to manipulate. How many ppl. did US kill by bursting the atomic bomb. What did that lead to. They were no better.

Same way about Subash Chandra Bose. History said something, but recent findings are saying something else.

40 yrs from now on, the only thing ppl. will remember is Iraq was captured by US because of Saddam Hussein, but nobody will remember or the words will get omitted that Bush thought ("thought";) Iraq had nuclear weapons hidden. So history will say, US invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein was a baddiee and thus it gave US the right to invade Iraq, because they were in league with Taliban or something else.

History also talks about how the native Indians of US were tortured, but somehow that part is never taught to anyone. The only thing I remember hearing was that the natives were backward ppl. who didn't understand what being civilized means and these ppl. taught them.

History and truth is that Goa is established on destroyed temples by Christians, but the history we read doesn't say it anywhere.

want to talk more about manipulated history.

History says, Pakistan, parts of Afganistan, Bangladesh all was India. Actually also lot's of parts of Nepal as the place where Buddha was born now shows up in Nepal. So why do we see these boundaries. I am sure if we talk to all Indians we want our land back. But can we get it back???


 
Post ID: 69570 09-03-06 15:57:49
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Azazf
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History says, Pakistan, parts of Afganistan, Bangladesh all was India. Actually also lot's of parts of Nepal as the place where Buddha was born now shows up in Nepal. So why do we see these boundaries. I am sure if we talk to all Indians we want our land back. But can we get it back???



not to forget srilanka and myanmar and parts of china as well, at some point.


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