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Originally posted by Jai_bharat


With due respects to the original poster who I personally feel has opened up a can of worms and has since abandoned the thread , can we make this a discussion along the lines of :

\"The ERP market - The Myths and the Reality\"

Moderators, pls advice.

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Are you there?

One of the problems with both institutes and people is to believe that they can doctor the resume and apply for jobs that require experience. Just a mere training in SAP modules will not give you implementation experience

As long as there is no law banning people distributing resumes with fake experience, you will see tons of 'experienced ERP/DW professionals' without a job.

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India Canada Bhai-Bhai

Regarding DW this has been rightly said that the basics and fundamentals are common for any tool.......it just needs a re orientation .

ERP is a different ball game altogether .As Lana has pointed out it depends on the drmand in the market and the supply which seems to have outdone the demand .

Having said that if you are an experienced professional or even a new one in some niche areas like SAP XI or ABAP I think you hold much better chances of securing a job. Upon looking at job sites , I feel that Calgary has a growing ERP market .

BTW how is the DWH market in Canada . How s Informatica and Cognos doing and is it easy for someone having extensive database systems development experience and the right knowledge to blend in ? As someone said its still a sunrise area...Is there scope for newbies.?

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Fido.

May be related to the topic, may be not, but can anyone tell me what are the chances of a person getting a job as an accountant with operational (or do you call it functional?) experience of about 9 months in FICO and a bit in MM??

Chandresh

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Chandresh

Advice is free – lessons I charge for!!

You have to take into consideration the # of SAP Implementations. In most cases, if you have SAP R/3, then you also have SAP-BW and SAP XI. However in Canada, there are a lot more companies using non-SAP products due to size, cost and maintenence.

Infact a lot of companies have multiple platforms. i.e SAP and non-SAP and have been using 3rd party products like Informatica, Cognos & B. Objects or Oracle which have connectors to SAP for their DHW Projects.

It's now mostly a matter of preferences as to what DHW tool is used - infact they all get the job done. SAP BW includes these entities called Business Content - which are pre-defined structures that let you integrate SAP data easily and I believe now SAP BW 7.0 has the ability to integrate with non-SAP systems.

There is a late player in the DHW game. Microsoft. However if you know Microsoft - most of the time, the start late and finish first. Take a serious look at their Business Intelligence Suite which includes all 3 aspects of DHW
SQL Integration , SQL Analysis & SQL Reporting. Talk in the DHW world is that they are poised for a take-over of the market from Cognos and B.Objects.

With a lot of collaboration between SAP and MS with a product called Duet - I wouldnt be suprised the next evolution being Data Warehousing, Reporting and Client Relationship Management.

Hopefully, this thread has taken a turn for the better thanks to the moderators in modifying the title and some positive contributions from folks.

Thanks Fido, Thunder Desi, lana2005, Chandresh, gsc and of course our sheriff BL for pulling this thread out of the doldrums.

So here're some possibly interesting debates that we could focus on based on Chandresh's query and a remark in one of the previous posts from lana2005:

As a hiring manager or someone that can influence hiring decisions on their PROJECT, given a choice, who would you hire ?

1. As Chandresh had asked :
An accountant with operational/ functional experience of about 9 months in FICO and a bit in MM AND RELEVENT SOFT SKILLS (eg : Communication skills, Project mgt experience.....)
AT MARKET RATE
Note : I'm going to add that this person has worked in various jobs IN CANADA for at least a couple of years and comes across as being able to \"fit in\" with the team dynamics

OR

2. AS lana2005 had indicated in one of her posts
\"Experienced newly immigrated ERP professionals\"
AT A CHEAPER RATE (since \"they generally do not know the going market rate\"

So who would you hire ? Do the greater technical/ functional skills (as the case may be) swing the decision in favour of the experienced professional or would you rather have the right fit in the team (in spite of the 'pervieved' gap in ERP skills?

Seeing this scenario in an ERP context, would you say that hardcore skills in ERP or the lack of supply of the skills in the market far outweigh the need to have the right soft skills ? I would think that in a non-ERP environment, the profile that Chandresh had raised would be the choice for a lot of hiring managers (as I've seen in lots and lots of cases).

Your comments, folks...

My opinion on some of the things:

1) If you are experienced accountant and do some SAP courses and looking for job as Accountant and not ERP implementer. I donot have much experience with this but I would think it all depends on situation e.g. if you go for interview at employer who has SAP and you are trained in SAP. You will get more score if the other candidates do not have SAP training and are on par with education & qualification with you. However, if the other candidate has experience in the industry of hirer without SAP he may have an edge over you. It depends on so many other things as well.

2) I have given resumes of many friends in ERP area to my company. What I found was that the people with a lot of Canadian ERP experience already have much higher salaries and hence were demanding more and hence were not successful in getting the jobs. At the same time, i have seen many new immigrants with ERP experience from other countries like New Zeland, India and Japan have got jobs and little chatting gave me an impression that they asked for lot less money than Canadian ERP experienced folks.

3) Even in ERP area, the days of specializing in few modules are over. Now, you need to know multiple modules to reduce the costs. Generally one consultant will handle multiple modules. You also need to know newer modules. Same old AP, AR, GL is not attractive anymore.