A patient once was advised by a doctor to have meat for for enriching his protein deficient diet . On the next visit the patient produced a butcher s knife from under his dress and requested the doctor if he could have just one pound of the doctor's flesh as being a doctor it would be the most hygenic and health flesh !!!!
The doc remarked ..... ' what nonsense when you will cut me will I not be pained or bleed ' .... I need not mention the patient s reply 
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Originally posted by Garvo Gujarati
So, it is a fundamental question: Are humans vegetarian or non-vegetarian?
Some points of thought:
1. Our stomach can not digest raw meat, the way lion can. So we need external means to make the meat eatable
Before fire....was the above point true?
I guess we have evolved from those days so we do not really HAVE to eat animals...just like we do not have to hunt to survive anymore. At the same time...agriculture places a lot of demands on land/resources...and some say its not possible to feed the worlds population on a vegan diet...without massive deforestation.
Some argue otherwise.
In any case I thought this link was interesting...Human is closest to frugivore animals (fruit eaters), from the anatomic and taxonomic point of view.
http://www.tierversuchsgegner.org/Gesundheit/taxonomy.html
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Posted on: 01-02-07 16:41:12
What GG says makes a lot of sense.
We need to form a line regarding what is "Sin" and what is not "Sin".
I am of the view that most animals were made by God for the consumption by Humans. However we have to slauter animals in a more humane way. I , in no way, advocate the use of the logs by the chinese to kill live catfish in the GTA.
I have slautered chickens in the past but have done it very responsibly. I have eeven covered the head of chickens while cutting their neck so that they donot die a horrible death.
There are Abbatoirs in all countires where pigs/ goats/ cows are slautered in a Humane way. Unluckily there is none for fishes.
Hope we can get some more meaningful discussion.
TK A
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Posted on: 01-02-07 18:35:55
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Originally posted by chandresh
Can anyone of you who are against non-vegetarians tell me why it is not considered a crime by you guys when farmers cut down plants who breath and grow like human being and animals??
I know of a psycological reason which is very true, but would like to hear from persons like DPJ and MR specially.
Chandresh
Chandresh,
I am not against non vegetarians. To each their own. I have chosen not to eat meat.
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Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 01-02-07 18:39:15
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Originally posted by Garvo Gujarati
4. In our old scripts (I am not sure Veda or Purana) Jivo Jivasya Jivanam, so it does not matter what you do, you will have to consume another living thing in order to survive, weather it is grass or meat.
Hi GG
Though vegetables/plants are living when they are torn from their roots, I do not think (again im not a philospher or scientist) that it is the exact same as when an animal is killed.
again - these are the reasons that compelled me.
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Chandresh,
Scientifically, plants are living creatures but still you can not equate plant with animals/birds. One has a right to survive and feed oneself. In the primitive or uncivilized ages when there were no means of agriculture and humanity was ignorant of crime and sin, every thing was acceptable.
But, now mankind has plenty of other natural stuff available to consume then why kill innocent birds/animals. This is a matter of least violence and survival. It is like sin and crime. Perhaps one would choose crime.
What are your thoughts if any specie of we civilized human start killing and eating humans? This specie might have their own point like TK, GOD made other persons just to be killed and eaten by them?
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Originally posted by chandresh
Can anyone of you who are against non-vegetarians tell me why it is not considered a crime by you guys when farmers cut down plants who breath and grow like human being and animals??
I know of a psycological reason which is very true, but would like to hear from persons like DPJ and MR specially.
Chandresh
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Quote:
Originally posted by Garvo Gujarati
In our old scripts (I am not sure Veda or Purana) Jivo Jivasya Jivanam, so it does not matter what you do, you will have to consume another living thing in order to survive, weather it is grass or meat.
So, where is the balance?
GG,
Is eating grain or meat same? Is hardware or software same? Is engineer or accounatnt same? Is God or human same? Is nature or science same? Is sin or crime same?
No, not at all. So there is the balance.
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