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investpro   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 07-11-07 23:59:47

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Originally posted by crenshaw

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Originally posted by rahul_singh23
4. How expert people define "long term" if your mortgage (cost) is nearly double than the rent?



In which parts of the country (or in which parts of Calgary) are rents 'more than double' the mortgage amount? Can you substantiate that with any figures?



I believe he is referring to the mortgage amount being double than the rent amount, not rents more than double the mortgage amount
However better to hear from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

The rents can be double the mortgage though, depends how far down you have paid the mortgage and if you have refinanced.

Many business folk I know are doing it. Homes bought several years ago have been refinanced and are rented out to students and the rent being collected is double the mortgage amount being paid.

Actually sometimes it is even triple and there might be more multiples.
And if the home is all paid up, the rent collected is an infinite amount higher than the mortgage amount.



jayaram   
Member since: Jun 04
Posts: 298
Location: Calgary

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 08-11-07 13:26:34

http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/274664

Anxious realtors pay others to camp out in the cold at Bloor St. building until sales commence Tuesday

What is happening? Looks like our economy is more than perfect. Buyers still out there.



rahul_singh23   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 08-11-07 16:18:21

My condo rent is $1500/month (including gas, hot water, condo fee-$250) and no down payment on rent (one month advance only). The price of this condo in June month was 390K now it's 360K. This owner bought this condo few yrs back in 210K.

1. $1500/monthly rent makes sense and good business of he bought in 210K. Yes I am paying his mortgage on 210K price.
2. Does this condo make sense to buy in today's market if mortrage/tax/codo fee ($250/month) all comes around more than $3000/month for this condo.
3. Price already down 40K in 3-4 months. How expert/CREB can convince me July was the right time to buy?
4. Long term, long term? How long someone can loose $1500/month to make money on this today’s real estate?

People are broke who bought investment property in last one year and loosing money every month on renting too. They lost down payment only in 4 months and lot of people are waiting in spring next year that some magic will happen.



chandresh   
Member since: Mar 03
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Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 08-11-07 16:44:14

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Originally posted by rahul_singh23


1. $1500/monthly rent makes sense and good business of he bought in 210K. Yes I am paying his mortgage on 210K price.



According to my calculation, even at the cost of 210k, and 5 year mortgage interest at 6% (plus tax plus condo fee) is not covered by the rent, so it is not good business sense. All he is doing is putting principal amount in cost of the condo, which he could have put in any type of investment - but not truely as 'business' sense.

But reading pieces of your posts and stats, I am unable to understand what exactly are you trying to convey, or are you just trying someone else to validate your thoughts of not buying?

For me, buying a house is not only investment but much more than that. It gives you more freedom to live in your own house, and creates a better feeling of belongingness (yes, I am saying that after having lived in rental properties for 20 years which now I repent - not at all due to appreciation of the property, but for he joy lost and also because by now I would have become free of mortgage).


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naudurivsm   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 376
Location: VA, USA

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 08-11-07 20:28:40

Quote:
Originally posted by chandresh

Quote:
Originally posted by rahul_singh23


1. $1500/monthly rent makes sense and good business of he bought in 210K. Yes I am paying his mortgage on 210K price.



According to my calculation, even at the cost of 210k, and 5 year mortgage interest at 6% (plus tax plus condo fee) is not covered by the rent, so it is not good business sense. All he is doing is putting principal amount in cost of the condo, which he could have put in any type of investment - but not truely as 'business' sense.

But reading pieces of your posts and stats, I am unable to understand what exactly are you trying to convey, or are you just trying someone else to validate your thoughts of not buying?

For me, buying a house is not only investment but much more than that. It gives you more freedom to live in your own house, and creates a better feeling of belongingness (yes, I am saying that after having lived in rental properties for 20 years which now I repent - not at all due to appreciation of the property, but for he joy lost and also because by now I would have become free of mortgage).



Hello Chandresh,
I agree, almost every day he will post on this thread and on this topic, interestingly all the posts talk of ONLY Calgary area. I am not sure what the intent is.

And then arguments conmtinue. .........

People will buy homes (like me ) whether it is bad /good market and that is very much evident in every walk of life.

No one stops living just becasue the market condition are not right.
think of GAS prices, as well - so do people stop using automobiles or buying GAS?

I am not sure whether he is asking people to BUY / NOT-to-BUY ?

Anyways ...
Ham tho kuch nahi bolega ..
Hammu bolega tho bologe ki boltha hai ..

Please take No offense Mr. Rahul...



rahul_singh23   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-11-07 14:28:57

Prices have crashed 11% in the past 14 short weeks a $55,000 loss is hard to take add to that a 5% realtor fee to sell your investment. It’s just a start because around 50% off all the mortgages in Calgary last year were 5% down or less according to the stats. That means there are roughly 17,000 people with no equity left in their properties.

I think 2 yrs back President Bush said in State of union speech under my administrator most Americans are home owner in history of America. Are they really home owner? A lot of them lost everything (even down payment) that kind of practically impossible ownership for average families are just fake ownership with these prices/40 yrs mortgages/easy loan to every one. We have to understand getting mortgage is start of ownership but not a ownership. If you don’t believe then stop paying for 2 months then you will hear the music from Mortgage Company. Now my question is how many people are mortgage free and compare their earning/house price ratio. That is called practically approach.

Do you think Working on $15/hr and owning 400K home with interest only loan and 5% down payment will make people home owner?





naudurivsm   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 376
Location: VA, USA

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 09-11-07 20:41:44

Quote:
Originally posted by rahul_singh23

Prices have crashed 11% in the past 14 short weeks a $55,000 loss is hard to take add to that a 5% realtor fee to sell your investment. It’s just a start because around 50% off all the mortgages in Calgary last year were 5% down or less according to the stats. That means there are roughly 17,000 people with no equity left in their properties.

I think 2 yrs back President Bush said in State of union speech under my administrator most Americans are home owner in history of America. Are they really home owner? A lot of them lost everything (even down payment) that kind of practically impossible ownership for average families are just fake ownership with these prices/40 yrs mortgages/easy loan to every one. We have to understand getting mortgage is start of ownership but not a ownership. If you don’t believe then stop paying for 2 months then you will hear the music from Mortgage Company. Now my question is how many people are mortgage free and compare their earning/house price ratio. That is called practically approach.

Do you think Working on $15/hr and owning 400K home with interest only loan and 5% down payment will make people home owner?







Look, if one does not have the paying capacity (for regular mortgage payments), then they should not go for this in the first place ,

OR

Buy homes that is affordable and which they can really pay for.

What you are suggesting is nothing but ..........a stereo type slogan . ".DO NOt BUY a home at all"
and that too on the basis of "there are so many forclosures out there. and prices of homes are falling rapidly. which are dependent on so many factors.

My question to you is
What about people who want to buy a home to LIVE in it and NOT sell it in 2-3 years?
If some one buys a home and sells in 2-3 years that is one sort of REI ( unless he/she may be forced to sell due to circumstances), and it is for those guys to think whether to buy a home now (under current market conditions).

Certainly NOT for people in the former category ( who want to live in their homes) making it a home for life or generations to come.

It appears that you had a really bad experience in REI and all this negative propaganda is prompted out of it.

I do not think anybody is paying attention to what you re trying to say.




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