Posted on: 13-01-09 09:43:47
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Originally posted by meghal
- Whole of North America and Europe is moving toward environmentally
friends vehicles, while we still get excited about having a diesel
driven car. Why do we not learn from their mistakes and directly
switch over to environmentally friendly vehicles
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FYI ... Diesel is considered "greener" fuel then petrol ..... in Europe 50% of vehicles run on diesel .... surpised that they are not being used in NA.
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Originally posted by Iknownothing
Your being skeptic doesn't mean there should be no industrialization or development of any kind.
I am not against industrialisation. I am against rat race and following west blindly. The whole gist of my message was why not learn from other country's mistake and avoid the whole learning curve?? Also, as in case like Coke or Fast food, the idea of car being necessity is kind of forced upon us
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There is a long term of effect of everything, including taking a flight to anywhere...considering the carbon emission.
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Pollution needs to be controlled everywhere. Considering the smog in Toronto, would you demonstrate in front of the City Hall asking for a ban on cars?
Yes. But anything that helps to alleviate that issue is always a welcome step. And Nano is not a step in that direction
And if you are not aware of the awareness campaign for curbing the smog, either you are new to Toronto or unaware of your surroundings. London has heavy tolls on people driving to downtown during rush hour, and a similar levy was suggested by Miller.
Nowhere in my whole message do I mention banning anything.
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You think it as a status symbol, I think it as a necessity. Don't know about you, but I would not want to ride a bike or wait for an auto rickshaw when it is 50 degrees or when it is raining.
How about developing efficient transit system with shelters designed for Indian weather conditions?
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According to this statement, cars should only be allowed in areas of North America where it snows. Is it so?
No. But in a city like Toronto where it snows, you can still survive without a car. And how about car sharing services like zipcar?
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I am not too sure if they have a diesel version of Nano, but the whole concept was to provide affordable, efficient, safe and small (for Indian road conditions) vehicle to the masses.
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Introducing an affordable small car while keeping in mind the safety standards is innovative in my opinion. You contradict your own post here.
Comes back to my original point. Is car an absolute necessity in India? I was watching TLC, where they mentioned that the fact that fastfood is affordable for most of low income family has lead to the whole issue of obesity. So the fact that nano is an affordable car may lead to other unexpected issues. Also, about safety, Nano does not have airbags and has only one wiper. And I do no think there is any law in India restricting number of passengers to the number of seatbelts in car
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FYI..Nano is an indigenous design. Talking about public transport, Delhi metro project is a hit. A lot of other cities including Mumbai, Pune and Bangalore are in various phases of implementing a similar public transit system. That in no way means India should stop producing cars.
Yes. But how about developing public transport in smaller cities e.g. Vadodara, Surat, Rajkot who still do not have an efficient public transport system
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When you say "The net increase in
employment due to spending in public transport will be almost same as
one gained by Nano", do you have a study or figures to back this up?
Think of TTC & GO. They are one of the major employers. People will be needed to operate the vehicles, maintain them, clean them. Think about the convenieince stores in Islington subway. Think about the residential buildings that come up near subway stations. My statement was just a hunch.
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A lot is being done and a lot needs to be done. Put one billion people in Canada and you will see how your own post makes no sense.
So to take care of 1 billion people, the focus has to be on well being of those people. Industrialisation is one way but not the only way.
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How do you plan to get rid of those motor cycles by opposing Nano production?
No. I am saying does India has an efficient police and legal system to take care of accident victims? How many Delhi drivers have been penalised due to those Blue bus incidents? How about all the victims that have been driven over by Puru Rajukumars, Salman Khans or Nandas?
Quote:Not manufacturing the Nanos will not be a step in that direction either. Two totally different issues.
Originally posted by meghal
Quote:I don't see anything being forced upon anyone here. I am yet to read anything where it says 'Everybody will need to buy one'. And do you actually think a smart business house like the Tatas would invest millions just be in a rat race?
Originally posted by Iknownothing
I am not against industrialisation. I am against rat race and following west blindly. The whole gist of my message was why not learn from other country's mistake and avoid the whole learning curve?? Also, as in case like Coke or Fast food, the idea of car being necessity is kind of forced upon us
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Yes. But anything that helps to alleviate that issue is always a welcome step. And Nano is not a step in that direction.
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And if you are not aware of the awareness campaign for curbing the smog, either you are new to Toronto or unaware of your surroundings. London has heavy tolls on people driving to downtown during rush hour, and a similar levy was suggested by Miller.
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You were against cars being manufactured, hence I brought it up. Ask Miller why didn't he implement it and he will tell you that he didn't want to commit a political suicide...not yet.
How about developing efficient transit system with shelters designed for Indian weather conditions?
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They should be developed too...but whats wrong with cars?
No. But in a city like Toronto where it snows, you can still survive without a car. And how about car sharing services like zipcar?
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In your original post, you said...it was ok to own a car in NA because of the extreme weather conditions. Once again you are contradicting yourself here.
Comes back to my original point. Is car an absolute necessity in India? I was watching TLC, where they mentioned that the fact that fastfood is affordable for most of low income family has lead to the whole issue of obesity. So the fact that nano is an affordable car may lead to other unexpected issues. Also, about safety, Nano does not have airbags and has only one wiper. And I do no think there is any law in India restricting number of passengers to the number of seatbelts in car.
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I am not sure if you are getting the point here. The target audience of this product is not the ones who are looking for power, luxury and safety in a car, they are people who are looking for an upgrade from a two wheeler to a four wheeler.
Yes. But how about developing public transport in smaller cities e.g. Vadodara, Surat, Rajkot who still do not have an efficient public transport system.
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Again, my point - These should be developed too...how does manufacturing a Nano would hamper these projects, if there are any. (Not arguing that should or should not be, hope you get the point).
Think of TTC & GO. They are one of the major employers. People will be needed to operate the vehicles, maintain them, clean them. Think about the convenieince stores in Islington subway. Think about the residential buildings that come up near subway stations. My statement was just a hunch.
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You used strong comparative degree 'Will be same as', hence the question. People will also be needed to manufacture those Nanos..maintain them...fix them..No?
So to take care of 1 billion people, the focus has to be on well being of those people. Industrialisation is one way but not the only way.
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It is one of the ways....am not opposed to other ways either. But am equally excited about Nano hitting the market. Whats wrong with that?
No. I am saying does India has an efficient police and legal system to take care of accident victims? How many Delhi drivers have been penalised due to those Blue bus incidents? How about all the victims that have been driven over by Puru Rajukumars, Salman Khans or Nandas?
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I thought we were discussing apples here....suddenly I see bananas, okras, spinach and what not in the picture..you know what I mean....
I am neither against nor in favour of Nano. However, I do remember an old saying when talk about industrialization, development, progress of any country in particular and everything else in general - Excess of everything is bad...too bad. Rat race has never been a solution and never will. Today, TATA has come up with a small car for $2500, tomorrow Maruti will develop another for $2000 and then there will be hoardes of other manufacturers go as low as $1500 car. Is there any full stop, or at least a comma, considering the environment is going down the drain each moment?
What world needs (yes, the whole world - each and every country on this planet) is an efficient public transit system. Europe has it and it's not common to see a millionaire who could afford a merc. taking a train ride to his/her work.
Govt. Planning and determination is the key here.
So, if a nation has to progress, they need to balance the growth - taking care all aspects of the society - Nano is just one aspect.
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Originally posted by febpreet
Govt. Planning and determination is the key here.
So, if a nation has to progress, they need to balance the growth - taking care all aspects of the society - Nano is just one aspect.
Excellent post, febpreet. You have succintly expressed what I have been trying to say. It is all about keeping a balance
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Originally posted by meghal
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Originally posted by febpreet
Govt. Planning and determination is the key here.
So, if a nation has to progress, they need to balance the growth - taking care all aspects of the society - Nano is just one aspect.
Excellent post, febpreet. You have succintly expressed what I have been trying to say. It is all about keeping a balance
If that's what you were alluding to, bad choice of words!
You were ridiculing a business house for coming up with an innovative product on the pretext that the government needs to do a lot in terms of infrastructure.
Didn't make any sense to me. Hence, the reply.
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Originally posted by Iknownothing
If that's what you were alluding to, bad choice of words!
You were ridiculing a business house for coming up with an innovative product on the pretext that the government needs to do a lot in terms of infrastructure.
Didn't make any sense to me. Hence, the reply.
WHATEVER. I am entitled to my opinion and in the way I want to express it
