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rsk12
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Thanks again for your comments guys. Can you all suggest areas in Mississauga or Brampton which you think would be a good location for a south indian veg restaurant.

Cheers
rsk


 
Post ID: 154137 24-11-09 23:37:22
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rsk12
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Hi MR
Thanks for your response. I would really love to move to Vancouver., but I dont have any base there. I will have to start form scratch. But i do have plans to start somtthing there. Can you suggest some areas where a south indian veg restaurant will do well.

Thanks
rsk

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Hi rsk:
sorry it took me a while to respond to your post, its been very busy at work. I am in the Vancouver area and can give you my opinion. First, there are a few south indian (veg and non veg) restaurants here and until recently Saravana Bhavan was one of the best. It was packed with people every day, not just indians either. Then, something changed in the taste of the food (new cook or new ingredients??) Anyway we go less often but I hear its still busy. It is located downtown. There are some in surrey that are good, but I think location makes a huge difference.
Secondly, I wouldnt compromise my own food principles. I too am vegetarian and wouldnt feel happy serving non- veg food to others. BC has a large number of vegetarian restaurants (Indian, asian, chinese, etc) that do well. It is the quality and taste of the food that matters most.

Vancouver is known as the #1 Vegetarian friendly city in Canada. People here are generally very health conscious as well and many people are becoming more aware of the healthy ingredients in south indian food and it is very popular.(goveg.com)



 
Post ID: 154139 24-11-09 23:43:37
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ftfl
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Here are some figures and my take on this venture of yours..... You will never..


A decent place to rent with great exposure will cost $3,600.00/ month = 43,000.00
Your own salary. I doubt you will make the grade. $3,000.00/m = 36,000.00
A retired cook $2,000.00/m =24,000.00
A trainee waitress @ $10.00/hr 56hr week $2,400.00/m =29,000.00

A Grand Total of =132,000.00

Ingredients required for the generation of the revenue $30,000.00 = 30,000.00
This is the basic expense. There are other expenses, such as phone, Electricity, Heating, Accounting and other sundry expenses.

Daily income of a minimum of $450.00

If you work an Eight hour day $55.00/hr.

You will be on your toes spinning like a top, working your butt off for the rest of your life, not knowing if you are coming or going.

Ever heard of a B.A.Fly? Not the British nor the American, It has a BLUE Rear.

But one ting for sure, You can always eat what you cannot sell. YOU WILL NEVER GO HUNGRY. EVER!!.

You think you can make it? If you think it is feasible, then I think so too.

Freddie.


 
Post ID: 154143 25-11-09 01:00:21
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pokiri
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Location: Mississauga


It will be great if we can get a small desi food joints in Malls. Everytime I shop and feel hungry, I always wish to have idly or pav but endup with taco or pizza.

 
Post ID: 154163 25-11-09 11:47:17
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JRF
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Not necessarily it needs to be in a mall where it cost you hell to have a place. To my expectation, a unit in a strip mall (decent one) would do.
I think emphasize should go on Quality, Service and most importantly marketing.

You might want to consider maintaining your full time job while setting up this venture and wait until it stabilizes, when the number units multiply, you could switch to this full time.

You have lot of tech. gadgets to remotely monitor the business within the limits of law.



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Originally posted by rsk12

Thanks again for your comments guys. Can you all suggest areas in Mississauga or Brampton which you think would be a good location for a south indian veg restaurant.

Cheers
rsk


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Post ID: 154206 26-11-09 06:07:05
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Vandematram
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Posts: 1448
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It have been there and done that.

This business looks rosy on top but it is very murky water.

Every Desi in GTA has run away from this business after making heavy losses.

Next time you visit Mississauga look at the key word "under new management" on all the restaurant/take out places.

The Gujarathi food guy on the Newin food court - Ran Away to India because the very same Gujjus who have to support him would go to the Gurulakshmi who used to be across the food court.

There is a fundamental question to be answered even before you think about this food business in GTA.

1.Are you a ethical person - Answere to yourself YES or NO.

2.Will you be able to lie to your employee, break labor laws and be a slave employer ?. - YES or NO.

3.Do you sympathise and empathize with your employees - YES or NO.

4.Are you willing to do cash transactions, cheat on taxes and employ illegals on cash basis?. - YES or NO.

5.Are you willing to do 16 hours days - 7 days a week ?- YES or NO.

6.Will you be able to Grease health and other inspectors? - YES or NO.

7.Are you willing to launder money from India for a local MLA, business man or other big wig through your restaurant ?- YES or NO.

8.Are you willing to give a refuse a refund when your food is faulty(stale food, stones in the food, cold food) or due to other issues while squarely looking at the eyes of the customer?-YES or NO.

9.Are you willing to bring chefs/cooks from India by promising heaven and making them work at pittance, while holding their passports in your bank locker?. - YES or NO.

10.Are you willing to take the hard earned TIPS given by the customers to your employees to break even?.- YES or NO.

If you answer NO to any of the above questions please do not even think about this business.

It is not like managing a store there are more darker secrets in this business which you'll learn by being there than talking to people or preparing a business to fail.

There is a particular business being mentioned repeatedly in the above responses. Please ask about the reputation of the family in Chennai of that business. The father and the sons and their business. Please do a google search about them and you'll realize about them. There is a reason for their success and if you were an ethical person you will not enter that restaurant never again as your payment will help them to further their dark side.

This is really spooky and do your homework before threading this needle.

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Last edited by: Vandematram on 26-11-09 16:14:25
Post ID: 154240 26-11-09 16:08:06
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solovaz
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I agree with most of the points stated above, but i thought that was a reality in India only !!
May be thats how they survive the first couple of years here . and then they get used to that !!

we eat at a certain place bcos we like the food (Taste !), we eat at certain other places bcos it is cheap, food is OK, convinient and so on. my point is Can't a person start a hotel based on the quality of the food (in short Taste !)
not expecting to break even in a year or someting but making a name or a base ?

or isnt it a good idea to start take away initially , taste the waters and then jump. just my 2 cents.

Freddie's figures and Vandemataram's dark reality might scare anyone from starting anything ! this more than homework to be done. but thats good thing abt this forum . Well , i guess rsk12 has a better picture of wots surprises he can expect later going ahead with his plan.

All the Very Best !!!





 
Post ID: 154272 27-11-09 12:36:22
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ftfl
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WHAT IS SO SCARY? THE DOLLAR FIGURES OR ......


"A decent place to rent with great exposure will cost $3,600.00/ month = 43,000.00
Your own salary. I doubt you will make the grade. $3,000.00/m = 36,000.00
A retired cook $2,000.00/m =24,000.00
A trainee waitress @ $10.00/hr 56hr week $2,400.00/m =29,000.00

A Grand Total of =132,000.00

Ingredients required for the generation of the revenue $30,000.00 = 30,000.00
This is the basic expense. There are other expenses, such as phone, Electricity, Heating, Accounting and other sundry expenses."



There are two scenarios one can dwell upon and do some analysis.
One is a Take out. The other a restaurant wher you sit down and eat.

When the reality kicks in you will find that it is hard to find a decent place to start off for under &2000.00 for take out and $3500.0 for a sit down and take out. I know you can't find a cook for under $4000.00 per month here in town. Then again he works five day week. Just see the ads in papers and HR offices. In the current times, you surely can find good waitresses for that money mentioned above.

Now what is so scary? You can start with paper plates and plastic cutlery in trying to achieve the goals initially, or when you start with some basic ideas
not finding a decent location or the staff to work with at that low rate of pay?

If you can find out the true costs and expenses with a survey or by spending a few dollars to do the investigations yourself and come up with a figure that you can live with, then the scary portion will vanish and you then get into the reality world where you will have to function with your own findings. That is the best method to follow.

There are so many items that have not been projected in the estimate and the opinion expressed are all rough figures. In the reality world you will have to add all of the renovating costs, the furniture required, the cutlery and crockery, Pots amd pans, the decor and fittings, the display and the steam tables or alternate, and you name it, it costs a pretty buck or you will have to find the same at the surplus sales. And all of these don't come cheap.

Please talk to someone who is running such a business and get the true facts and the figures before jumping into anything head over heels.

See if you can get a health inspection for that location and a paper to hang first.

Freddie.


 
Post ID: 154276 27-11-09 15:02:03
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solovaz
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oops ..little misunderstanding here..

i was not comparing hotel vs take out. it was just a suggestion. secondly the scary part was the figures u mentioned plus the reality put by vandematram together . meaning after investing so much if u have to follow wot vandematram has to say then it is scary indeed, for me atleast.



 
Post ID: 154283 27-11-09 16:31:20
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goodraja
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Hey rsk,

Did you make the leap? Or are you still stuck in your I-hate-this job (like many of us :(



 
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