Posted on: 21-09-10 15:37:45
Quote:at that time, software work was considered elite.
Originally posted by meghal
So why did TCS/Infy go on a hiring spree in 90s in engineering colleges and creating such "difficult to crack" exams? Does it mean that they under utilise their employees capabilities?
therefore, only the elite could get in.
over the last 15 - 20 years, that work has become commoditized and industrialized.
so it doesn't require elite resources.
it is arguable whether that work was elite even during those days.
but the perception and benefits of a software job were above average and thus reserved only for the elite qualified.
Quote:both.
I have no problem with science graduates working as software programmers. It just means that those companies either erred by hiring overqualified graduates or the work they do these days require less skill than what it took 10 years ago.
Unfortunately, the original post itself is off. A B.Sc or B.E does not matter, when it comes to productivity. All that matters is the knowledge of the individual to adapt and his ability to apply his skill set to get the work done and hopefully also to make a positive impact in the life of the customer who will consume that service or product. And GRE score again is off context.
We also need to understand that it is a global village and competition is global. "Cheap" is a very relative term and is not used by smart business minds.
Co-existence is the key for a balanced global economy.
Agreeing with captainbeam and just trying to make it more presentable.
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Originally posted by prakrithi
Unfortunately, the original post itself is off. A B.Sc or B.E does not matter, when it comes to productivity. All that matters is the knowledge of the individual to adapt and his ability to apply his skill set to get the work done and hopefully also to make a positive impact in the life of the customer who will consume that service or product. And GRE score again is off context.
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Not necessary. Hard technical skills are a necessity (analytical/logical skills in case of a programmer) to do any job. And engineers do acquire those skills during their four years of labour in engineering institutes. You cannot expect Raakhi Sawant to program a robot, however adaptable she may be(or Prof. Abdul Kalam to do a "Tan Tana Tan Tan Tan Tara"
.Read my post. I did not mention GRE score. TCS entrance tests during that time mimicked the GRE exams, while Infosys exams were a copy of puzzles put byy Mukul Sharma (??) in the endgame section of Sunday TOI.
I personally have known BCom/BSc/BAs who are way smarter than BE/MCAs and are highly skilled and recognized J2EE/SOA/Datawarehousing Architects.
It is our stupid mentality to always put people in brackets before even knowing their capabilities. We tend to push them in a corner, saying you are not good enough and that is so very cruel. There can be so many reasons why a kid may not go thru Engg - doesn't always mean that he cannot or will not.
In TCS, not only degree is prevalent - it is also which univ/institution you come from. This 'casteism' is there, to a very high degree and one can feel choked, many times a day.
My point is - judge a person by his/her capabilities. Although, I definitely agree that the possibility of a person to be a good hand, from good institute/degree is very high. But, I cannot agree with 'discrimination'.
There is a lot of Talent hidden in BA/BCom/BSc and by making them feel inferior (for no reason) - we are not helping them to realize their potential.
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Quote:I have no idea who raakhi sawant is, but I bet she can be trained and coached to do the job of your typicall offshore programmer, if she has the interest and desire to learn.
Originally posted by meghal
You cannot expect Raakhi Sawant to program a robot, however adaptable she may be(or Prof. Abdul Kalam to do a "Tan Tana Tan Tan Tan Tara"
Software programming training is so industrialized these days that I don't see the need for this super robot-programming logical mind that you are refering to.
just look at the number of software programmers the Indian colleges, universities and private training institutes are churning out each day.
If Ram, Shyam and Dhanshyam can do it, why can't Rakhi Sawant?
I'm not saying it is monkey work, but with interest, intelligence and the proper training, it can be done.
Composing music on the other hand, is very different.
there is a big factor of creativity, imagination and natural talent involved.
Quote:Interesting....yet, Infosys is a much more successful and well known company than TCS.
Read my post. I did not mention GRE score. TCS entrance tests during that time mimicked the GRE exams, while Infosys exams were a copy of puzzles put byy Mukul Sharma (??) in the endgame section of Sunday TOI.
just goes to prove what everyone has been saying here.
I cleared TCS Exam in the 90s and it is not something that only the 'privileged' class of BE/BTechs can possibly clear. It is not 'Rocket-Science' as it is made out to be here. All you need is a little bit of 'Grey Matter' and BSc/BComm/BAs have that too. Unless a section of the elite class of BE/Btechs wants to reserve it for themselves only.
BA/BComm/BAs clear way difficult exams to do MBA/Bank PO/CDS/etc. So, stop Bracketing People and remember, your Ego is worth nothing.
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Originally posted by meghal
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Originally posted by prakrithi
Unfortunately, the original post itself is off. A B.Sc or B.E does not matter, when it comes to productivity. All that matters is the knowledge of the individual to adapt and his ability to apply his skill set to get the work done and hopefully also to make a positive impact in the life of the customer who will consume that service or product. And GRE score again is off context.
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Not necessary. Hard technical skills are a necessity (analytical/logical skills in case of a programmer) to do any job. And engineers do acquire those skills during their four years of labour in engineering institutes. You cannot expect Raakhi Sawant to program a robot, however adaptable she may be(or Prof. Abdul Kalam to do a "Tan Tana Tan Tan Tan Tara"
Read my post. I did not mention GRE score. TCS entrance tests during that time mimicked the GRE exams, while Infosys exams were a copy of puzzles put byy Mukul Sharma (??) in the endgame section of Sunday TOI.
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My take on this:
1. There is a BSc computer science program also, at least in Bangalore. It’s a three yr course I think. They are as good as BE comp science.
2. If u can speak and read English clearly, u have a job ready in BPO firms such as TCS. They will train. No need for a BE/BTech.
3. In fact lot of BEs know how to memorize and write and get good marks in their studies. Analytical and soft skills are low. What do u do with them?
4. There are lots of back office work that BEs don’t want to do. Who else can do that?
