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Why Lock AAP related threads ?




Garvo GujaratiMember of Administrators
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My Dear Friends,

I really appreciate all the concerns, questions, objections, support, and thumbs-down to moderators, from all of you on "the moderators locking the threads realted to a political party"

Let me promise that this board is for Canadian Desis for expressing their free thoughts. And it will be like that. Like any other discussion boards, we have certain rules using which we try to moderate the board.

The purpose this site is to support Desis in Immigration and Settlement Process to Canada. As we are mostly from South Asia and obviously what is happening there is one of concern to all of us. Considering that, while we have majority of the discussion sections realted to Canada and Immigration, there is one section to discuss what is happening in our native country.

Now coming back to those two threads.

When I first saw the topic stared by san-hugo that was cleary promoting the AAP, I thought to delete it right there. Reason? Obviously we have Rule Number - 5, no ads/promotions in the Charcha. If you have noticed anybody trying to promote or advertise services or business they are associated with we immediately moderate it. The AAP or any other political party should not be treated differently. san-hugo, has put up a title inviting users to vote for AAP, and in the message he was again doing samething - inviting users to vote for the party and calling to donate for the party. This is clearly a case of promotion.

A discussion on political party is definately a welcome sign. Instead of deleting the thread, we just moderated it to tone down the message, because san-hugo is a respected Senior Desi on the board. If it was a thread started by someone with just a few posts, I will have immediately deleted it. The second reason was the AAP itself. The political change the AAP has brought, is brining and will be brining in the future is definately going to be interesting. So to have discussion on the AAP the thread was kept on.

When the second thread was started by daikin to counter the first thread also got moderated to reduce the harsh language against the AAP.

So, the next question is why locking them now?

1) The coutinuation of both the thread on the list of top thread for last 3 months. People are mostly visiting this site for other reasons, and we can't afford to loose the focus of this site.

2) The AAP Enthusiasts and Stakeholders were very keen to keep the post alive for obvious publicity, so when there wasn't any activity going on, they were posting something to bring it on top.


Your another question is - what about the treatment given to other parties?

1) Please point me to a single thread that clearly promote (With words like "Vote for Modi" or "Donate to Congress";). We will moderate that as well. Mostly we have user posting a new item related to what is happening in India, that may have political party and political person related with the news and user are discussing it. "Gujarat Government getting an award for diaster management" is a news item that, though have positive signals for Narendra Modi, can't be classified as a clear promotion of Modi.

2) Which other such related thread lasted 20 plus pages and more than 3 months? It that will happen again we will moderate such threads like this.


In general we are free to discuss a political party, can support or oppose it, but should stay away from advising others on what to do and an obvious promotional language. Also instead of a general party related discussion, it is better to discuss around a recent event or news. Starting a thread on Binny or Bharti is not a problem at all.

For example - currently we have a discussion going on around "FDI in Retail" and that thread is still on and will going to be on as long as people keep discussing the FDI in retail. (Again, if it lasts more than 2 months, we can lock it)

In an instance where all the top thread will become "Indian Politics" related we may still need to moderate them to have enough room for other topics. Alternatively we can stop showing them in top list, while the users can continue discussing it.

To recap -

- Our primary focus is Canada.
- No direct promotion of political parties
- If threads are dragged beyound a limit they could be locked


Thanks very much again, and hoping to get the support from all of you!

Regards,

GG

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Post ID: 209433 15-01-14 09:57:23
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seenimesh
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Quote:
Originally posted by Garvo Gujarati



My Dear Friends,

Thanks very much again, and hoping to get the support from all of you!

Regards,

GG



appreciate the mods stand / clarity !


 
Post ID: 209439 15-01-14 10:51:43
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san-hugo
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Thanks GG for the clarifications. Convincing enough, I must mention.

All Points well taken. I agree I started the thread with an inadvertent tone of promotion of AAP being a new option of fighting against corruption for betterment of India. For sure I had no idea at time that topic will boil up plus was not aware of rule of the game, hence the title easily construed promotional. I am not an AAP party member or a volunteer but a country lover , an enthusiast who earlier served my country in armed forces. AAP is not my product to promote. I just like the vigorous change happening in the country and the mindsets, so highlighted it, and will continue to do so wherever deemed necessary. Thats about my clarification. :-).

Thanks again to you and all minds behind this wonderful site.

One advice, since the elaborated reasons provided above are more appropriate than in the thread itself, you may like to open the threads, paste these up as last messages and lock them for ever with a nice conclusion. ! just a suggestion. Feel free to do the referendum on this among CDs , LoL.


 
Post ID: 209452 15-01-14 23:26:26
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bhootnath
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Quote:
Originally posted by Garvo Gujarati



because san-hugo is a respected Senior Desi on the board.



You must be kidding, aren't you? If not check some of NM's posts :P ;)

Ok I am just kidding..though it was not necessary, but still it was a well articulated response and appreciate the patience to the criticism. I would have banned Fido and SanHugo for questionnning ;)


 
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Post ID: 209458 16-01-14 10:24:57
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Fido
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As a person who has devoted quite a bit of time to this forum and for whom CD has become an inseparable part for more than 10 years ( and possibly which gives me the courage to write my thoughts below ) , I wish to share my thoughts, knowing they may not have any impact on the outcome ..

If that was so that it was just promotion and publicity , how come the other senior members on this thread ( who are well concerned and are a well part of CD ) did not feel so.

I abide with the anti promotion policy and have myself requested it to be enforced from time to time including in the case of Rajeev Narula / Amit Kalia where the mods did not enforce it citing them as exceptions.

However a general exception to the promotion rule is that we do post and discuss things / businesses which we feel will benefit other members / good to know by others w/o any direct interest . In the AAP threads , they may have been started with a purpose but they did not pick up steam only because of that ..AAP is a phenomenon today which is being discussed every where and CD is no exception with mostly Indians on the forum. A thread dies by itself if people do not discuss it .

Because this topped for 3 months indicates that this is a hot topic which people wish to discuss .

One good thing of having centralized thread was - the board was not scattered with AAP related threads otherwise there could be 10 in number topping in stead of 1 or 2 .

Because of these threads other topics are being side lined also does not appear to be true ..Other threads are being posted and responded to for eg the internet and the TV thread which I participated off late ...

People come to CD to discuss what they wish to and the discussions are fuelled by demand .... moderating against the demand of CDs is undemocratic ..

These threads were not all promotional but debates as well if you read Nightmare's and Surti's post also .... They may have started as promotional but were not continuing that way .. or so it appeared ...... that s why concerned and frequent senior posters on this forum voiced their opposition .

Maybe we have a difference of opinion but we are all entitled to ours .

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GG - Thanks for the detailed explanation, this certainly helps. I can completely appreciate that you are trying to steer the forum towards more Canadian topics. Plus, you are spot on that there should be no advertising on the site, even for a political party (and in that sense, agree with the name change).

That said, it is election year in India and all of us are interested in it for one reason or the other. If a thread is getting a lot of replies and staying on top for a long time, it just indicates that many folks are interested in it. I had a quick look at the thread and I think both AAP supporters and opposition were making their points vigorously. And except for maybe a couple of members, people did not resort to name calling or personal attacks.

My advice here would be to do the following instead of locking the thread
1. Do not show it as a top topic on main page after a certain period of time.
2. Warn people who are resorting to personal attacks and name calling. If this does not change, then put restrictions on their posting. This way, the discussion stays healthy.

Just my two cents - in any case, kudos the mods and yourself for running the site so well.



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Post ID: 209490 17-01-14 01:54:36
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Garvo GujaratiMember of Administrators
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Thanks FIDO and BL for your point of views. FIDO brought an excellent point with having multiple threads related to politics in India could defeat the purpose as all of them can top the list. I really have to think about how to mitigate that risk.

BL, yes we are so connected to India and this General Election is going to be very high decible contest between the rulling party and the oppostion party with some strong tadka from the AAP that it would be hard to resist the need to discuss it. So hundred percent agree with your point.

To avoid the issue of Indian Politics Related topics coming on top on a regular bases, I have to think about something.

The other points are valid and we are definately trying to moderate the board accordingly.

Thanks.

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Post ID: 209496 17-01-14 09:59:53
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Thank you GG for detailed post.
It is TRUE ... we all should try to be more on Canadian issues even though it is difficult to avoid issues back at our second homes that were primary once.


 
Post ID: 209497 17-01-14 10:16:06
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I personally am not a supporter of Aam adami party (and i believe it will die a natural death of its own making) , but this action by mods is shamefull.


Quote:
Originally posted by Garvo Gujarati


To recap -

- Our primary focus is Canada.
- No direct promotion of political parties
- If threads are dragged beyound a limit they could be locked


Thanks very much again, and hoping to get the support from all of you!

Regards,

GG



Shameful explanation for a shameful act ....

- Primary focus is Canada , then why do you have the forum called "Our Native Country"

- No direct promotion of political party ..... unless it is Narender Modi http://canadiandesi.com/read.php?TID=32677&page=1

- Threads longer than 20 posts that died a natural death ... http://canadiandesi.com/read.php?TID=18728&page=1



 
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Quote:
Originally posted by puttoo

I personally am not a supporter of Aam adami party (and i believe it will die a natural death of its own making) , but this action by mods is shamefull.


Quote:
Originally posted by Garvo Gujarati


To recap -

- Our primary focus is Canada.
- No direct promotion of political parties
- If threads are dragged beyound a limit they could be locked


Thanks very much again, and hoping to get the support from all of you!

Regards,

GG



Shameful explanation for a shameful act ....

- Primary focus is Canada , then why do you have the forum called "Our Native Country"

- No direct promotion of political party ..... unless it is Narender Modi http://canadiandesi.com/read.php?TID=32677&page=1

- Threads longer than 20 posts that died a natural death ... http://canadiandesi.com/read.php?TID=18728&page=1




Lol! Typical brainless rant by Kangress sttoge.

1) Our native country is ONE of the threads. There are many more but due to surcharged election atmosphere and unprecedented loot, corruption and absolute shameless lack of governance by Kangress has made our Native Country thread popular. Puttoo Ji should read and post only on Culinary Delights thread only.
2) GG has very succinctly explained the difference between discussion and promotion. One may or may not agree to GGs interpretation.
I was enjoying the discussion and wish that it should not be locked but I am not running this site and I respect GGs decision and prerogatives.
Puttoo ji should appeal to their master Kangress to donate a small portion out of millions it spends on Media and promote a blog praising and promoting Kangress.
3) GG has stated that a thread beyond a reasonable limit be locked not just 20 posts.

Puttooji was ridiculed in past for his steadfast support of Kangress and I suspect that he was posting under a different avatar. Now, to counter , he has raised the old ghost of Puttoo. Get lost man.


 
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