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Is there any other better alternative to electric baseboard heater?

We have property with old electric baseboard heater and its killing us.. bills are huge.
Trying to find other alternative… it might costly to install but it may help in long term.
Just need Comparative Analysis for alternative sources, such as oil , gas or water heater.

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Blue_Peafowl

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Option 1 : Water heating - AKA as Geothermal system and OR High velocity
Pros : Most efficient system .
Cons : Quite expensive to install and maintain . Very few professionals avlbl to repair in case of breakdown . Parts not easily available

Option 2 : Forced Air heating ( Natural Gas or Propane )
Pros : Quite efficient and cleaner . Cheap to run and maintain . Plenty of professionals in GTA . Parts are available at most corners of GTA
Con : You may have to swallow initial cost of installing ducts which may or may not be possible in existing setup .

Option 3 : Upgrade your current baseboards to better baseboards . Newer technology is more efficient . This may work better in your scenario .

Option 4 : Oil : I would stay away from Oil heating as much as possible . It is the most dirty way of having your house heated .
Cons; Dont know any
Pros : Cost , dirty , hassle of getting Oil and professionals

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Thanks AshwaniG...

initial cost is not an issue but i need to see the real comparison of how fast i can recover the cost.

I am thinking of either Split heating system or water heating - force air will not work at my place since its old structure.

If you know any heating engineer please let me know.

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PLEASE LOOK INTO .. : A LOT OF THESE OPTIONS...
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Originally posted by Blue_Peafowl

Thanks AshwaniG...

initial cost is not an issue but i need to see the real comparison of how fast i can recover the cost.

I am thinking of either Split heating system or water heating - force air will not work at my place since its old structure.

If you know any heating engineer please let me know.



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Here are some facts that we need to take into account before we can change the heating system that you have there currently. (Which is Electric.)

Some homes are built on a concrete slab. They probably are called 'Florida Homes'. They do not have a Basement. Still there are possibilities to convert to Gas heat. Forced Air units.

Some homes do not have Natural Gas lines coming anywhere close by and hence does not render to GAS heating. That becomes extremely difficult to wean away from the Electric Heating.

Now depending where you are located, and what kind of property you are living in, there are a few grants available for solar power heating. Also there are a few businesses who run their own plans through the Government of Ontario with FREE powering up your home with SOLAR Panels. A plan that is worth finding out about. So, there are a lot of ideas that are floating about in your area and it is worth pursuing them and finding out more about them. See what is suitable to you.

FH.

http://www.grasshoppersolar.com/solar-rooftop-leasing-program
http://www.energy.gov.on.ca/en/incentives-program-for-home/


 
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tamilkuravan
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Motel
FH,
Just for your information, the OP is asking about a Motel and the location in near Niagra falls Ontario.

Je Suis Canada !!

Murali

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san-hugo
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Nope, the OP is asking , how can he boost Alberta's economy by installing natural gas plant at his house to heat up his bedroom. Thats what he is asking, if you read carefully.


 
Post ID: 217374 21-01-15 09:57:36
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Wow you are a magician San-hugo

How do U know that Im Ryan Kubik from Ablerta and i need to boost my economy :) :) :)

Hats off to San-Hugo

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Post ID: 217376 21-01-15 12:44:26
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sghosedelhi
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Heating
Hi All,

I love the discussions in this forum. It appears to be a simple issue rather than involving a lot of engineering issues. As the original request was just soliciting information as no data or details were provided, here are my two cents. These are based on the insurance knowledge which I teach and the engineering knowledge in which I was educated.

If there is a gas line near by then the best would be Forced Air gas furnace based heating, this could be even based on oil or Propane if those are the next choice. The big question would be the run of ducts from the basement or any other area where the furnace would be located. This is the most cost effective option. Choice of fuel is based on cost as well as availability factor otherwise the equipment will be primarily the same - Furnace, ducts and vents.

If that is not an option then even if you choose unconventional methods, you will need to run the ducts and vents. Geothermal was talked about and the breakeven point is generally 10 years even if it is Vertical or Horizontal. Solar system is also nearly the same but again whole house on Solar is not generally heard of.

So if you have to run the ducts and vents, the best would be to ask a contractor to provide an estimate or contact Sears/ Home depot or the heat provider to send a contractor for estimate.

As the hydro rates are quite competitive in the midpeak and offpeak time, you could continue with the present system. The big impact to the heating bill is also due to loss of heat from the house. This could be controlled by
1. Re insulating the attic and garage with proper insulation of high R value.
2. Drafts from the windows and doors needs to be controlled by replacing double glass windows and resealing them
3. Any other source which leads to loss of heat should also be looked into if applicable.

This is what I could think of based on the information in the thread. Hope it helps!




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Post ID: 217378 21-01-15 13:18:15
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tamilkuravan
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It is a motel
Sirs,
Again I am telling you. The property in question is a MOTEL. Motel is a small scale hotel / inn where you have a central corridor and rooms on both sides of the corridor.

Kindly give advice based on the same.

Je Suis Canada !

Murali

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TK guessed it even though OP didn't mention that it is for a Motel. TK also said it is for a Motel in Niagara falls. Wow .. you are smart TK.

 
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