What went wrong with Immigration Policies of Canada


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Kap   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 299
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-09-04 11:40:00

Quote:
Orginally posted by jago_desi

My idea is not to discourage or encourage people, But to start discussion what went wrong. It is ironical to see that few bunch of nuts find an article discouraging. Come out of your shell and try to think beyond what is printed. If you are asked to research, idea is not to earn degree for me. It is to find a solution for the problem. I have read a lot of senior desi bragging of their success and labeling thread like mine as a looser. Who are they fooling? Themselves!!!
All of us who are in field job or factory job are well aware that immigration policy is not in place for Canada. Let us agree to the fact that returning back to desh is not the solution. It is one-way ticket we bought to come here.............
Above some wise man has quoted that pvt companies have union, Please try to find out; maximum of pvt firms in Canada are running without union. Etobicoke desi’s are aware of Royal Group of Companies. They are the classic example of exploitation of immigrant's. If a union gets elected for a company in that group, it is closed down shortly with machine and orders shifted to another company of the Royal Group. Do you need any more examples?
You as a skilled professional were invited to immigrate to Canada, on landing you are asked to lift boxes. Do you think after a year if I am in field job it is a success. If yes, then at what cost we are getting a placement.
Successful desi of this forum, Do you know a qualified teacher from India getting degree equivalence from authorized body is asked to take minimum of 5 subjects scattered over a year and a 4 week community field placement. Decision is made available after taking almost 3 months to evaluate qualification and experience. Is it a joke? If you want to challenge the decision, you are asked to pay $200 fees to challenge the outcome of evaluation. This may be correct for successful settled immigrant. Ask the person who has qualification, experiece and guts to challenge the decision. Not fall for the foolish stuff like Canadian Skills.
My wife has challenged and taken decision in her favour to work as a teacher with few limitations in her job profile.
I had mentioned in my thread " Canada want to re-invent wheel by teaching skills at HRDC to already highly skilled immigrants". With great disappointment I have to say that nobody was interested to comment on that, probably system has convinced them of their skills to be useless. I want you guys to JAGO.
If I am to quote figures of CIC, is that going to prove anything for you, after that are you going to walk down on road apposing CIC policies.
I have proposed a theory, whoever is interested should investigate and add more to this thread.
If scientist and researchers had not proposed theory and hypothetical statements, do you think man would have walked on moon?
Nobody knows of the facts, what went behind doors to get Immigration law passed.
Seniors should encourage ideas and try to bring it to a conclusion and not on the second reply to thread discard idea as crap.
What I am saying is correct. Today I am not in a position to fight CIC, but someday you will read about this in newspaper like Toronto Star, and our senior desi will be publishing link everywhere.




Hi Jago_desi!

Good !

I agreed with you.

Ignoring or hiding facts are not a one kind of misleading to prospective immigrants?


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jago_desi   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 591
Location: canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-09-04 12:08:24

Quote:
Orginally posted by crenshaw

There’s just one thing wrong with Canada’s immigration policy – losers like you who can barely frame a single correct sentence in English, slipped through its cracks.

Stop dreaming up conspiracy theories, look at yourself, understand your shortcomings and try again.



crenshaw, you have commented over my English. With this English along with my wife I had challenged decision of education council of Ontario & Convinced them of my idea. That, how can they stop us from working in our field if we posses education and skills. Up gradation of skills is, being in the field and acquire additional skills. Not being out of field and keep acquiring degrees and certificates.
My suggestion to you is don’t ever try to judge capability and thinking power on basis of language skills evaluation. If you have ideas, language is not a barrier. If you have language skill, without ideas!!!!.......everybody at this thread knows the outcome from that person.
I am sure after reading this lot of doctors, engineers…..professionals are going to challenge, when asked to come back with up graded skills……………………..


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jago_desi   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 591
Location: canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-09-04 12:11:13

Quote:
Orginally posted by BlueLobster

And to those of you who complain that some desi doctors are driving cabs here, I went to a desi doctor here yesterday (who's been practising for a long time).

He was horrible!!! Got irritated at every question I asked, basically his idea was that I register my name, he gets his 25 bucks and I leave without a fuss. Although that does not say anything about desi doctors in general, I wonder who the hell certified this guy. He should've been driving a cab!

And jago_desi,

Jago. You want to state a whole theory like this (which to me is compleletly flawed) and expect me to do this research? That's like a Ph.d. student stating a thesis and asking his panel to do the research for him. Absurd!

And Kap,

Immigration does not work that way. Are there enough jobs in India for graduates who come of engineering schools there? Do you know how many engineers in India are doing something else?

I know there are issues with Canadian immigration and the policies aren't perfect. We need to work to improve them together and educate prospective immigrants. There I am with you.

What I'm against is stuff that makes no sense and still manages to misguide people.



Now what is this, you cannot generalise all desi doctors by action of one particular docotor.......I can not form an opinion about all readers of this website by your reactions........


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mercury6   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 2025
Location: State of Denial

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-09-04 12:43:09

Most successful people here come across as very arrogant. Quite amazing since you would expect them to be humble, but no.....straight on they head towards "you english sucks, you eat curry (talk about self hate), you are a loser". People are not going to listen to such people...

Now remember before you jump on me, I said most and not all, so there are some very good exception here....


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the-entrepreneur   
Member since: Jul 04
Posts: 190
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-09-04 12:49:49

Jago - desi -
I know where you are comin' from but try convincing that to the Canadian Authorities. As far as they are are concerned the number of applicants who wish to come to Canada are growing in numbers, their embassies can't cope up with the new onslaught. Backlogs are getting even longer as a recent article in the Voice validates. Up from 2 years to 53 months!. The Can gov claims that despite all the flaws more wish to come here than before.
So as somebody said on another thread "If it ain't broke- don't fix it." So why would the govt fix it?
Believe you me, I am on an international team of people who met with the govt to try and convince them that they should do something positive about the mismanged human resources they have here in Canada, and their claim is that despite all this and the prospective immigrants knowing this they still want to come, so tough. It's like beating against a wall. They don't want to hear anything and little will change unless the number of applicants go down. They are actually going to spend money to increase the number of people to process all the backlog to bring in more people as their goal is basically to bring in 300,000 new people per year by hook or by crook and they have enough applicants in the pipeline to sustain this figure for the next 5 years. They only do not have the people to process the current apps, which they are increasing now. Soon the processing time from India will drop back to 2 years. The only thing they might do is something positive about the doctors here already because of the huge hue and cry in the mainstream papers- but lawyers, accountants, engineers and other professions- jes' plain forgit it fer the time being.
BKB


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jago_desi   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 591
Location: canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-09-04 12:51:57

Quote:
Orginally posted by Mishtar India

Jago - desi ...... your "theory" is interesting but hard to buy. Unless you can provide some facts supporting the labour union/HR argument on this topic ...it remains an interesting theory.

While the reasons for Canada seeking immigrants are plenty ...I feel just one reason which i mention here is strong enough to call for new immigrants . This figure is published by HRDC and gives a breakdown by industry .

By the yr 2010(in just 5 yrs) 28.8% of the workforce in Ontario alone will be retiring.

This is an average rate taken between all industries , and the highest retirement rates are in Govt services,Health and social services, Education services,Agriculture etc.

Isint this a strong enough reason to call for immigrants.


yeah I agree with you on figures, but don't you think Canadian govt. is already taking a corrective measure. If I am wrong please correct me, now retirement is a choice and not age deciding. Why have they braught this into force if purpose of calling immigrant is to replace retired force of Canada


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crenshaw   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 914
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 21-09-04 12:52:27

Quote:
Orginally posted by jago_desi

All of us who are in field job or factory job are well aware that immigration policy is not in place for Canada. Let us agree to the fact that returning back to desh is not the solution. It is one-way ticket we bought to come here.............

If scientist and researchers had not proposed theory and hypothetical statements, do you think man would have walked on moon?
Nobody knows of the facts, what went behind doors to get Immigration law passed.

What I am saying is correct. Today I am not in a position to fight CIC, but someday you will read about this in newspaper like Toronto Star, and our senior desi will be publishing link everywhere.




1. I presume you had never been to Canada prior to landing here as an immigrant. You 'bought a one-way ticket' to a place you didn't know..........and you can't go back. Where I come from, that is either desperation or stupidity.

2. As far as hypotheses and theories are concerned, they have to make sense to warrant any attention. Else they are just going to be perceived as the rantings of a frustrated man.

3. You guys all talk so much about suing the CIC. Good luck to you, do keep us posted about your progress.

You've got another quote somewhere about challenging the Ontario board of education and your wife starting to teach. If she speaks English the way you write, my sympathies with the kids in that school, I sure wouldn't want mine there.

Just wondering, did you take an ESL course after coming here to Canada? Oh yeah wait, maybe your ESL instructor was also someone who went up in appeal and insisted on teaching without an upgradation of skills.
:cheers:




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