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lal badshah   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 27
Location: delhi

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-10-04 12:55:45

According to the views in this forum ,it means education fr levels 5 to 12 is MUCH better in India.
Then why this ho hala about Canadian education system and "migrating for kids benifits".
People there must seriously think of bringing up their chidren in Indian education system.
If I am wrong,do correct me with ur valuable inputs.
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rima   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 7
Location: delhi

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-10-04 22:53:23

immigrating within a few months. I have 2 daughters in class 2 & 4 .
I think some schools in delhi provide quality education. rather than giving positions they are judging kids on the basis of all over performance.Whats the fun -a student of class 5 learning ( infact roting)about 10 to 15 chapters of history without interest.So now the some of the schools have become practical by just taking a class test infact assignment immediately after the lesson is over and not dragging it till the end of the term.
In maths also they are giving stress more on mental maths. Even they have made science easier and more practical. This i am talking about some schools as i have experienced with my kids.

What i think it is the time you give to your child at home also a quick overview of the things done at school helps. You cannot leave everything upon teachers and the kids as a kid upto the age of 7-9 still need proper guidance. I have experienced if you participate in the childs first few years of education it really helps and the child than himself becomes responsible.

What i think primary education is more or less same in India or Canada basically it is the time which you spend with your child in his foundation years.
A neglected child even in india will not be able to perform simple calculations.
Thats what i am afraid that when i will come to canada maybe i will not be able to participate this much as i am a housewife in India. But i think by the time i will shift my kids will be in 3 and5 so it will be quiet helpful as now they are in position to understand the things.

Rima



lal badshah   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 27
Location: delhi

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-10-04 01:04:49

RIMA
Do lot of research before putting ur kids in those Canadian schools,specially after being in Delhi education system.
wish u luck



lal badshah   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 27
Location: delhi

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-10-04 01:13:59

desi_driller
Do u thinkthere is any comparison between the gifted schools there n good public schools in India.
ur comments on this will be of immense help to all nu immi.



dp_jain   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 418
Location: Brampton

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-10-04 06:28:00

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Orginally posted by chandresh

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Orginally posted by dp_jain


This system just help to develope presentation and marketing skills. That's it. That's why Canada is able to sale its immigaration policy successfuly.

And as I said earlier - the final result is - these guys here are able to build a nation where we want to come and live, not the other way around, even with the best of brains in South Asia. Even the guys from IITs and IIMs want to come here and live, and they rarely send their kids to study in India, from where they themselves had studied and became good enough to be doing something great in North America.

Chandresh



Hi Chandresh,

I do not want to answer upper part of your post quoating my post, though I can.

The best brains from Soth Asia, including MBAs, GUYS FROM IITS, IIMS, CAS like u and me and lot other top brains come here without knowing the hard facts and later curse this system, racism and discrimination. These persons are here fighting with all odds, getting frustration and doing oddd jobs. People say it is one way road.

These people can not send their kids back home for schooling because they can not afford that. How come when somebody not eble to earn his living and afford to send his kids back home for good schooling.

Yes, I would again emphasize this education/schooling as you say, help produce great marketing professionals. These great marketing GURUS made such a powerful immigaration policy and system that shows millions of people dreams while at back home and once these people come as immigrant their dreams are shattered. DO NOT YOU RATE THIS SCHOOLING #1 (which made such wonderful immigaration policy) WHICH BROUGHT YOU HERE, WHO HAVING 20 YEARS INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE IN HIS FIELD STILL FIGHTING FOR A PERMANENT JOB. (DO NOT TAKE ME PERSONAL, I AM JUST QUATING AN EXAMPLE.)

I too can quoate hundreds of cases but I will not, reason being I do not want to pull this thread in 10 pages. Things become personal after some time and the thread is converted in to a fighting ground. It is my opinion and I am not going to change it.

TWO MORE THING.

FIRST
You have grown up kids who got good SCHOOLING. Perhaps you know little about primary SCHOOLING here in Canada. You are fortunate. You did not see how these small kids getting ashtry and dialing 911 on petty matters, asking their parent "this is nono of your business" etc etc.(THnk GOD my kids are not in this catagory, otherwise I would have returned back immediately.)

SECOND:
THese so called theorically trained guys are running US medical systems, NASA, Microsoft and have been working on top posts not only in US but here in CANADA too.


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Jmart   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 39
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-10-04 11:40:06

I agree with Chandresh.... That he is able to see the good points in the Canadian education system inspite of his frustration at not being able to land a suitable job in his field,only goes to show how objective and unbiased he is.

What kids get here is an education - an all-rounded personality, besides studies, they get the opportunity to excel in sports, music etc. How many kids in India get such an opportunity? This is not to belittle the Indian edcuation system - no doubt kids over there excel in Math, no wonder India produces so many top notch engineers and scientists. As to those who talk of schools like Cathedral or Campion, these kids are for the elite rich who live in Cuff Parade or Malabar Hill, how many average Indian parents are able to send their kids to such schools?


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chandresh   
Member since: Mar 03
Posts: 2606
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-10-04 11:48:11

Hi DP

Rest assured I will not take anything personally - but this is one topic which is close to my heart and have been wanting to discuss this for sometime. You might recall that in last CD meeting I had brought my children along, and my son had come prepared to address the audience there and speak about education system in Canada. He had not prepared anything in advance - just that very morning I had requested him to speak about it - whatever his thoughts were, and give the audience a first hand experience, direct form the horse's mounth.

My son was a gifted student in Singapore too - where the standard of academic studies in school is much higher than India and infact the streaming in done in grade 5-6 rather than like grade 9 in India. There is too much pressure in Singapore's primary education and grade 6 exam is like the most important exam for not only the child but the parents too - no way compared to India and so you can imagine what background he and we have come from.

And when I discuss with him, he finds education in schools here much better because according to him, it teaches not theory alone but how things are practically done in life. At the same time, the schooling helps develop a child what he or she is good at. My daughter, who came here in grade 5, had never been good in academic studies back home - and therefore she had developed not only severe inferiority complex (when she used to see awards and certificates and medals of her brother), but was never able to develop her other talents (like dancing, volunteering, public speaking, and sharp wittedness etc) because in Indian kind of education, such opportunities are only provided to students who get good grades in normal academic subjects - they become the teachers favourites.

After coming here, she has developed into such a wonderful child and she is now bubbling with confidence. She is considered the best student in her whole grade, she has got the valedictorian award (which by the way is considered much better than getting highest marks in acedemic subjects - which my son had got in grade 8!), she has worked with a guy who has been nominated by Canada three times for a nobel prize, a TV documentary has been prepared (and broadcasted on TV three times) on her passion for helping others, etc. etc.

And the best part is - she now likes her studies much more than ever and scores good grades, because the school teachers make her feel comfortable and explain things to her not as a chapter to be memorized, but the theory to be understood in the manner she can understand best. I have no qualms in admitting that today in grade 8 she might be weaker in mental mathematics than what I was, but she has much more knowledge about various sciences, history and georgraphy than I ever did when I was her age. She has and easily can deliver a self prepared speech to 250 strong audience with such confidence which my son and wife (both toppers of their classes in their times) could never do.

Three years ago, I had attended an open house session of a secondary school. There I had questioned their math teacher as to why the level of math is so low in Canada as compared to Asian countries. I like his reply and am fully convinced with his thought. He said in any nation (or an organisation), the policy makers and top administration is never more than 5 % of the total population, and those who execute such policies and decions by understanding the basics and giving suggestions are not more than 15 to 20%. The rest 75 to 80% of the population of the country or organisation only help in execute those policies and decisions without having to apply their minds, except for producing the work in the manner it should be done. If that be the case, why should those 75 to 80% be subjected to the torture of doing mental mathematics when practically all of them are going to use calcutors in their daily lives, or of learning higher calculas which they will NEVER need in their working lives, or understanding the Binomial theoram which they will never need to put in practice. And therefore, these things are taught in university level, where it is meant for students who want to be in that top 25% of the nation or organisation. It is their need and is fulfilled in university. That is why you will find a HUGE difference in education level between school and university (I will not argue if that is right or not)

(By the way - can anyone explain to me the practical aspect of learning how to solve a quadratic equation - something that we used to learn in grade 5-6 in India? Can you tell me how that knowledge helps an average Joe in our working lives?)

Again I could write a lot of other things about the system here - but a very long post will become extremely boring.

Chandresh


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