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Masters and Ph.d in Canadian Universities




Ottawa_Nerd
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Orginally posted by Chris

i know some people that are making a decent salary simply 'studying'. why not get paid to get a diploma and sit in the cafeteria and student lounge chatting up chicks?



Chris..My stay in Canada fell under that category. I will shed light on that in this post. I will also show how I was able to "exploit" my student status in Canada (of cos Pre 9/11) to get admission into the USA...

To answer your question..there is no global answer. It all depends from University to University, province to province. I am only aware of scholarships in Ontario, and to a lesser extent in Alberta...

The best place to look for scholarships/bursaries/grants would be the university web sites. They themselves publicize those scholarships to attract students. But international students please be warned :- Most scholarships in Canada are for Citizens and to a large extent , Permanent residents.

Students coming from India can apply for INLAKS scholarships. They focus their attention toward Oxford/Cambridge..but they can easily consider scholarships for High ranking Canadian universities also.

So to answer Chris's question...what are the Pro's and Cons or applying to a university when you dont know if you will be eligible for any scholarship. I can only think of a few pros...and a single con :-

Pros :- YOu start taking courses and can transfer them to other universities. You start exploring potential research supervisors by taking their courses. You have access to all resouces to explore other universities and other professors, while staying in ur current university.

Cons :- Paisa/Money (or lack of it) can hamper your day 2 day survival. You need to live as frugally as possible. You can stay in shared accomodation with other desi students (assuming you are a bachelorette/bachelor).

Getting a TA/RA depends on luck. For a TA, you need to perform way above the rest. Remember, for 30-40 posts..200-250 applications are received every semester. I can explain the situation with my own experience. You (the reader) can draw your own conclusion as to how to go about obtaining a TA/RA

I joined Ottawa U in Jan 2000. Those were the last few months of the famous dot com boom. Ottawa was synonymous with Nortel/Alcatel and other Hi-Tech companies. Bachelors students used to be in their final semesters and they used to get hired by Nortel/Motorola etc. As a result, getting a TA at the university was very easy. So much so that during a few semesters I was also asked to take additional TA's for french sections ! (even though I couldnt Parle vous francois :D ) .... My supervisor had a funding ('cos of his name and research expertise ...period..nothing else..), hence I also got funding from my supervisor. This is a good feature of Canadian Universities in Ontario when compared with other Canadian Universities in Alberta (or even universities in the USA). Getting a TA is independent of your RA.

However, I was not able to save much. My fees were deducted from my pay slip. All that changed in Aug 2000. I received an offer of "Admission scholarship" from the University for 2 years. I guess it was because of my previous journal and conference publications. Being an international student, it helped me..as it came to around 23000$ for 2 years. I got reimbursed for my fees for the past 8 months. Little did I know that this scholarship would help me in something far more bigger !

That same month, I obtained a letter from the Canadian consulate in Seattle that I was scheduled for an interview on Sept 27, 2000. Dutifully, went and submitted my fingerprints and got the medicals done. It was an effortless task. I infact drove with my landlord and hand delivered the results at the RCMP headquarters. The medicals were sent by Aug 15th, 2000

Now came the tricky part of obtaining a US visa for my interview. Those were the days when Desis and Chinese were the bad guys, who always came in droves as illegal immigrants :D . I was rejected the first day I went. The reasons were obvious. I could not show any ties to Canada as I was an international student. The situation is no different today. It has become even more tuff to get a visitors visa to enter the USA if you are on a students visa in Canada (or want to apply for an F1 visa from Canada, while being on a temp visa). Let this be noted down by potential students who plan on obtaining their students visa for US studies from Canada, and who are not PI's or citizens .
I was dejected and did not what to do. I wanted to trasfer the file to New Delhi..but... On returning home I even thought of writing a letter to the Immigration minister (Elanor Caplan or something like that :D) "why should I have to go to the USA for an interview etc." :D. This was of cos wishful thinking and I was having a chat with my supervisor . It was Aug 25, 2000. He raised the issue of my scholarship and the time limits for it and then voila ! I had the answer to my problem. Please read this carefully. It may help future students who are/will be in similar situations.

I had signed a legally binding contract with the University of Ottawa to remain as a full time student for 2 years. If I failed to do that, I would have to reimburse the entire money that would have been paid for as part of my fees. This became part of my strategy to show "SIGNIFICANT TIES WITH CANADA". Moreover, this point was emphasized when my supervisor gave me a letter.
Armed with this letter I went to the embassy again on Aug 28th. Those were the days when vistors to Canada could apply at the US embassy without any prior appointment. This time, I got a different agent. "I see you applied last friday. Why are you applying again now"..."I must attend the immigration interview on Sept 27, 2000"..So he took my file, ignored all stuff except the letter issued by my supervisor. "Main tumpe Juaa kheloonga (Dialogue from Deewar..and his words were "I will gamble on you";) :D ".."Pay the visa issuance fees and collect your passport tomorrow"..

(*ps :- For a Recent case, check out the following link
http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=8381&page=1#46847 )
So that was the first and last time that I ever had a US visitor visa stamp on my passport. So you see, with this "real life tweak", many future students can demonstrate "significant ties to Canada", even though they may be all alone here.

That being said, the dot com bubble burst in the fag end of 2000. Ppl who had left for NORTEL were being laid off in the coming years. Hiring companies were not hiring. So the only recourse left was the apply for Masters degrees of PhD degrees. This meant that the old trend of getting TA's (or even multiple TA's) was soon going to be a thing of the past. I was lucky enough that I never had to face the crunch. I was not able to get any TA's for summer 2002 and 2003. However, I did manage to get TA's for other semesters. In addition, due to a couple of conference publications, I was even considered for a 3rd and 4th year doctoral scholarship. This covered my Tution fees (but not dental and incidental insurance fees). So in effect, I was able to study in Canada for free, got paid for studying/research work, got my immigration and citizenship...then unfortunately had to leave Canada as I was "over qualified" for the type of work I do.. The only places where I could have workd would have been Govt research labs..I hope some day I will be able to return back and work a few years in Canada. By the time I left the uni, getting a TA was not guaranteed. There was a lot of competition for TA's and many students (good students) were denied TA's... I was lucky enuff to have missed facing such a situation. I dunno what the status is now...

Some tips for getting a TA :-
a.) Whatever "respectable" members may say but, "school" should be pronounced as "school" and not as "iskool"...else you are easily tagged as a "Paki" by the students. Be clear and legible when u address students. Their opinion/feedback may help your case or screw u up for the rest of ur TA career.

Update
Check out this link for more information.
http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=9770" target="_blank">http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=9770

b.) Be professional but keep ur distance from students. Sexual harrassment in any form will not be tolerated. Even hints of impropriety can land you in big trouble

c.) You can be friends with students, but when it comes to grading etc., you are and should be impartial to everyone.

d.) Try and correct the papers sequentially. I always followed this scheme. Initially I had to correct all papers. However by the first two assignment I could figure out who the "brainy" and who the "others" were. So I made it a point to correct the "brainy" papers first before embarking on the "other" papers.

e.) Keep a good relation with the instructor of the course. HOwever, you should not overstress urself with TA work as you have to focus on your research work also. Remember, you have unions (at least in Ontario universities) to protect your rights as a TA

f.) Apply to those courses you feel you can effectively convey your point. TA work will also help you improve your public speaking skills and give you an idea as to how you should go about making presentations in future work environments.

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"Aur Vaise Bhi, Sharafat ki jab kapde utarti hai, sabse zyaada mazaa shareefon ko hi aati hai"....(From The Dirty Picture)

Warning !! SCAM ALERT !!
http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=4169 & http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=1379
This is a Useful Health related Tip
http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=3865
Please visit
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php for some interesting Information ! (Especially 009.005 )

 
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That's some really comprehensive info there, OTN!

Good initiative and good work! :cheers:

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you've had a very successful career, ON, keep it up! (not just chatting up the chicks, i mean, academics too:)

two comments: one is that the number of TA positions depends on the department. in the French department at UWO it was guaranteed that you'd get one. i actually got two; one during the year and one in the summer. it was a windfall for me.

the other comment is on "sexual improprieties". dude, you have hit the nail on the head. the anglos are now crazy about imagined "sexual aggressions". keep in mind that ANYTHING can constitute sexual aggression.

at UWO there were no less than 3 TENURED PROFS dismissed for 'sexual harassment'. after lengthy investigations and massive lawyer fees, they were all re-instated. one of the claims was that a prof had sexually assaulted a student in the uni swimming pool! the prof was absolutely disgraced. (he was married on top of that, so i imagine he had some things to resolve with his wife) he was removed from his position the same day, as is the procedure. no details of the case were available.

we all imagined that he raped her poolside in broad daylight or something. a year later, it emerged that the charge was that "he had looked at her". ???? the jury probed for hours "how" he had looked at her, for how long, with what intent blah blah blah. finally he was reinstated.

another prof, an anthropology prof, was dismissed for saying that 'female circumcision was horrible'. he was accused of sexual harassment and fired. 2 jealous feminists found that he was pronouncing a judgment on another culture and felt "like they had been raped" ????

anyway, after a year or so he was reinstated.

(you can look all these up on the net; i'm sure they're there)

the moral is, don't express ANY opinion in class. there are these feminists who come into classes and even check what examples you put on the board. if you put too many male-oriented ones, you could be open to a lawsuit. the atmosphere, obviously, is not conducive to academics, though perhaps UWO is unique this way: these sort of cases would be regarded as SCIENCE FICTION at the University of Montreal where i did my MA.

you stated once, ON, in a comment on Gandhi, that hypocrisy is the namesake of the anglo saxon culture and truer words have never been spoken on this forum. i love my country for some things, but i must acknowledge that it is the most HYPOCRITICAL culture in the world. image is everything. at night, all these 'respectable' public figures dealing out these punishments go home and log on with fake user ids on the internet, surfing porn websites. then in the daytime, they put on their suit and tie and rant against the 'objectification' of women.

so sad... in this way, the french are light years ahead of us.

sorry for the rant... ahem... as you were.


 
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Quote:
Orginally posted by Chris

you've had a very successful career, ON, keep it up! (not just chatting up the chicks, i mean, academics too:)

two comments: one is that the number of TA positions depends on the department. in the French department at UWO it was guaranteed that you'd get one. i actually got two; one during the year and one in the summer. it was a windfall for me.

the other comment is on "sexual improprieties". dude, you have hit the nail on the head. the anglos are now crazy about imagined "sexual aggressions". keep in mind that ANYTHING can constitute sexual aggression.

at UWO there were no less than 3 TENURED PROFS dismissed for 'sexual harassment'. after lengthy investigations and massive lawyer fees, they were all re-instated. one of the claims was that a prof had sexually assaulted a student in the uni swimming pool! the prof was absolutely disgraced. (he was married on top of that, so i imagine he had some things to resolve with his wife) he was removed from his position the same day, as is the procedure. no details of the case were available.

we all imagined that he raped her poolside in broad daylight or something. a year later, it emerged that the charge was that "he had looked at her". ???? the jury probed for hours "how" he had looked at her, for how long, with what intent blah blah blah. finally he was reinstated.

another prof, an anthropology prof, was dismissed for saying that 'female circumcision was horrible'. he was accused of sexual harassment and fired. 2 jealous feminists found that he was pronouncing a judgment on another culture and felt "like they had been raped" ????

anyway, after a year or so he was reinstated.

(you can look all these up on the net; i'm sure they're there)

the moral is, don't express ANY opinion in class. there are these feminists who come into classes and even check what examples you put on the board. if you put too many male-oriented ones, you could be open to a lawsuit. the atmosphere, obviously, is not conducive to academics, though perhaps UWO is unique this way: these sort of cases would be regarded as SCIENCE FICTION at the University of Montreal where i did my MA.

you stated once, ON, in a comment on Gandhi, that hypocrisy is the namesake of the anglo saxon culture and truer words have never been spoken on this forum. i love my country for some things, but i must acknowledge that it is the most HYPOCRITICAL culture in the world. image is everything. at night, all these 'respectable' public figures dealing out these punishments go home and log on with fake user ids on the internet, surfing porn websites. then in the daytime, they put on their suit and tie and rant against the 'objectification' of women.

so sad... in this way, the french are light years ahead of us.
sorry for the rant... ahem... as you were.



Chris, luckily...I was in the Comp Engg department...and the only females we had in class were Chinese and Iranians and a few Indians... I dont think they care a damm abt "female circumsion is bad = denigrating a culture" ( personally I find it bad also..screw the feminists :D) ..All they are interested in was their grades and assignments... I started this thread with a caveat..it was meant for Engineering and not social science students :D.. However, your inputs can surely help students from the arts stream as well.

Okay, with that..today I would like to talk about getting a Visa from India as well as the process of avoiding being scammed !

Getting a Visa :-
------------------
I applied for my Visa at the Canadian Consulate in Mumbai, May 1998. It is located in Nariman place. An interview took place at the Taj International, July 17, 1998. I was asked abt my studies, what I planned to study in Canada and whether I had any funds or not. The Visa process for students is much simpler for Canada when compared with the USA. YOu need to show the admission letter from the University and your source of funding.
This may include your promise of TA/RA from the university or our own funding. Please show a reasonable amount of funding. If you have some sort of TA/RA then show a sum of 12000/year for 2 years...
If not then you need to show funding to cover your fees as well.
Many ppl have told me that one can apply for a Canadian Student Visa at the New Delhi High Commission only. I dont think that is the case ( I may stand corrected at a later time). You can even apply at the consulates in Chandigarh and Mumbai.
Complete your medicals and send your passport. You should get your passports within a few weeks.

How to avoid being scammed :-
-----------------------------------
A University is a university PERIOD.... There is no substitute for it. The level of desperation amongst folks back home to travel in a "foreign" land is very high. Without sounding corny I will admit, once upon a time I too had that urge. So if you have that urge, then PLEASE AVOID ALL "UNIVERSITIES" THAT COME TO INDIA AT VARIOUS STUDY EXHIBITIONS. University of Windsor is the prime culprit... Avoid University of Windsor if you want to purse an academic career. It is a desi Ghetto...and I can tell you, from first hand knowledge that it is filled with the academic Junk amongst the Desi's (Indians and other south asian countries).
Also avoid Community colleges (e.g., Algonquin, Devry, SAIT, NAIT, BCIT, etc. )... These wont help you further your academic career much. Of 'cos..I am speaking with an Engineering degree in my mind. IF you want to pursue something else, then please do so at your own risk !

WARNING !!
Avoid all consultants who promise you admission in a college with 10-15K $ Fees and after than acn easy access to work in Canada... They are the scamsters, frauds, cheats, crooks, the scum of society...

****a.) YOu cannot work in Canada (Legally) as a student****
****b.) You are not assured of a work visa if you are a student****
Update:- The previous rules have changed. Please refer to
http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=12775" target="_blank">http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=12775
for more information

c.) YOu cannot (i.e., no guarantee) go to the USA legally to work, if you are a student in Canada. Anyone (read "agents", "consultants";) who promise you such stuff are cheats...

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"Aur Vaise Bhi, Sharafat ki jab kapde utarti hai, sabse zyaada mazaa shareefon ko hi aati hai"....(From The Dirty Picture)

Warning !! SCAM ALERT !!
http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=4169 & http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=1379
This is a Useful Health related Tip
http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=3865
Please visit
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php for some interesting Information ! (Especially 009.005 )

 
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Students from India, who have secured admission at UBC, Waterloo, Toronto.. here is the address for INLAKS foundation

http://www.inlaksfoundation.org/

Update :- Engineering, Computer Sciences, Management are not funded by INLAKS

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"Aur Vaise Bhi, Sharafat ki jab kapde utarti hai, sabse zyaada mazaa shareefon ko hi aati hai"....(From The Dirty Picture)

Warning !! SCAM ALERT !!
http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=4169 & http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=1379
This is a Useful Health related Tip
http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=3865
Please visit
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php for some interesting Information ! (Especially 009.005 )

 
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Chris
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Quote:
Orginally posted by Ottawa_Nerd

Quote:
Orginally posted by Chris

you've had a very successful career, ON, keep it up! (not just chatting up the chicks, i mean, academics too:)

two comments: one is that the number of TA positions depends on the department. in the French department at UWO it was guaranteed that you'd get one. i actually got two; one during the year and one in the summer. it was a windfall for me.

the other comment is on "sexual improprieties". dude, you have hit the nail on the head. the anglos are now crazy about imagined "sexual aggressions". keep in mind that ANYTHING can constitute sexual aggression.

at UWO there were no less than 3 TENURED PROFS dismissed for 'sexual harassment'. after lengthy investigations and massive lawyer fees, they were all re-instated. one of the claims was that a prof had sexually assaulted a student in the uni swimming pool! the prof was absolutely disgraced. (he was married on top of that, so i imagine he had some things to resolve with his wife) he was removed from his position the same day, as is the procedure. no details of the case were available.

we all imagined that he raped her poolside in broad daylight or something. a year later, it emerged that the charge was that "he had looked at her". ???? the jury probed for hours "how" he had looked at her, for how long, with what intent blah blah blah. finally he was reinstated.

another prof, an anthropology prof, was dismissed for saying that 'female circumcision was horrible'. he was accused of sexual harassment and fired. 2 jealous feminists found that he was pronouncing a judgment on another culture and felt "like they had been raped" ????

anyway, after a year or so he was reinstated.

(you can look all these up on the net; i'm sure they're there)

the moral is, don't express ANY opinion in class. there are these feminists who come into classes and even check what examples you put on the board. if you put too many male-oriented ones, you could be open to a lawsuit. the atmosphere, obviously, is not conducive to academics, though perhaps UWO is unique this way: these sort of cases would be regarded as SCIENCE FICTION at the University of Montreal where i did my MA.

you stated once, ON, in a comment on Gandhi, that hypocrisy is the namesake of the anglo saxon culture and truer words have never been spoken on this forum. i love my country for some things, but i must acknowledge that it is the most HYPOCRITICAL culture in the world. image is everything. at night, all these 'respectable' public figures dealing out these punishments go home and log on with fake user ids on the internet, surfing porn websites. then in the daytime, they put on their suit and tie and rant against the 'objectification' of women.

so sad... in this way, the french are light years ahead of us.
sorry for the rant... ahem... as you were.



Chris, luckily...I was in the Comp Engg department...and the only females we had in class were Chinese and Iranians and a few Indians... I dont think they care a damm abt "female circumsion is bad = denigrating a culture" ( personally I find it bad also..screw the feminists :D) ..All they are interested in was their grades and assignments... I started this thread with a caveat..it was meant for Engineering and not social science students :D.. However, your inputs can surely help students from the arts stream as well.

Okay, with that..today I would like to talk about getting a Visa from India as well as the process of avoiding being scammed !

Getting a Visa :-
------------------
I applied for my Visa at the Canadian Consulate in Mumbai, May 1998. It is located in Nariman place. An interview took place at the Taj International, July 17, 1997. I was asked abt my studies, what I planned to study in Canada and whether I had any funds or not. The Visa process for students is much simpler for Canada when compared with the USA. YOu need to show the admission letter from the University and your source of funding.
This may include your promise of TA/RA from the university or our own funding. Please show a reasonable amount of funding. If you have some sort of TA/RA then show a sum of 12000/year for 2 years...
If not then you need to show funding to cover your fees as well.
Many ppl have told me that one can apply for a Canadian Student Visa at the New Delhi High Commission only. I dont think that is the case ( I may stand corrected at a later time). You can even apply at the consulates in Chandigarh and Mumbai.
Complete your medicals and send your passport. You should get your passports within a few weeks.

How to avoid being scammed :-
-----------------------------------
A University is a university PERIOD.... There is no substitute for it. The level of desperation amongst folks back home to travel in a "foreign" land is very high. Without sounding corny I will admit, once upon a time I too had that urge. So if you have that urge, then PLEASE AVOID ALL "UNIVERSITIES" THAT COME TO INDIA AT VARIOUS STUDY EXHIBITIONS. University of Windsor is the prime culprit... Avoid University of Windsor if you want to purse an academic career. It is a desi Ghetto...and I can tell you, from first hand knowledge that it is filled with the academic Junk amongst the Desi's (Indians and other south asian countries).
Also avoid Community colleges (e.g., Algonquin, Devry, SAIT, NAIT, BCIT, etc. )... These wont help you further your academic career much. Of 'cos..I am speaking with an Engineering degree in my mind. IF you want to pursue something else, then please do so at your own risk !

WARNING !!
Avoid all consultants who promise you admission in a college with 10-15K $ Fees and after than acn easy access to work in Canada... They are the scamsters, frauds, cheats, crooks, the scum of society...
a.) YOu cannot work in Canada (Legally) as a student
b.) You are not assured of a work visa if you are a student
c.) YOu cannot (i.e., no guarantee) go to the USA legally to work, if you are a student in Canada. Anyone (read "agents", "consultants";) who promise you such stuff are cheats...



I would argue though, ON, that for 'sexual agression', it doesn't matter what department you're in, be it in Engineering or Nucler Physics, you are at risk. Again, this all sounds incredible but i assure you it's true, one prof at UWO was suspended for making a nickname for a student. The student did not object, but there was someone in the class who said, "if it were me, i would have been offended".

so, you're correct in assuming that science and engineering have less 'dangerous topics', but any joke, comment or opinion is potentially career threatening. believe me, once you have the label of having 'sexually harassed' someone, your career will be definitively over.

and BTW, having a screensaver with Aishwarya Rai would be considered 'sexual harassment". someone could see it and claim to have been 'traumatised'. i know, desis are shaking their heads reading this and don't believe it, but sadly it's true...



 
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PR Can
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Upgrade Education
Hi ON

I am a recent PR back in Gulf in my mid thirties. I have always wanted to upgrade education and recently found a link to Uni of Waterloo Mgmt of Tech. distance education. Is it worth to work here in Muscat as I have a good job and in the meantime upgrade by doing this degree? Will it increase my chances of a good job when I plan to move say in 2-3 yrs? Could you throw some light on this if you have information?


 
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PR Can..I can only state the following :- that University of Waterloo is the creame-de la creame of Canadian Academic institutions (compared with say, University of Windsor).... Distance education can only so much help u in ur career, but they dont go a long way in giving u the actual feel of a degree when compared with a full time study option...

So, in my opinion, the answer would be no. I can, however, sugget an alternative. You can pursue your job in Muscat (*sigh*..sad memories from Muscat).... Lets say thats an exciting job. Meanwhile, you take your GMAT examination....and also save money (due to the fact that Management education in Canada is relatively expensive)...Make sure you send your GMAT scores to Waterloo, York, and University of Western Ontario

Before you land here..make sure you apply to these 3 universities (as such, you should land by August..gives yo a 1 month cushion to pursue other options i.e., accomodation, etc.)
If your GMAT scores are good, you would be a prime candidate to get admission into their program. With the money you save now, u wont feel the pinch like others do...

Give it a thought :) and best of luck in ur academic career :)

Update ** :-
http://www.mansci.uwaterloo.ca/mascadmission.shtml

YOu still need a GRE or GMAT score for a distance education too... So if you have to give a GMAT, then why not do a proper degree :) ..Cheerz

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"Aur Vaise Bhi, Sharafat ki jab kapde utarti hai, sabse zyaada mazaa shareefon ko hi aati hai"....(From The Dirty Picture)

Warning !! SCAM ALERT !!
http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=4169 & http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=1379
This is a Useful Health related Tip
http://www.canadiandesi.ca/read.php?TID=3865
Please visit
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php for some interesting Information ! (Especially 009.005 )

 
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Thankx ON for the information. The whole idea about continuing work here and doing studies simultaneously is that I have a good paying job here and a family to support. If I take the plunge of moving and doing campus study, managing even on savings is quite difficult isnt it (you have mentioned this yourself in your earlier posts!) About GRE/GMAT, yah I anyways have to do, but having a running income and studying is much less pressure than having to support a family with 2 kids and doing a full time study, what do you say? Since the Uni says that the kind of degree they award is the same even if it is distance edn, I was attracted to it. Plus I am an Engineer in the Managerial cadre here. More help and opinions from you are welcome...please

 
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Thankx ON for the information. The whole idea about continuing work here and doing studies simultaneously is that I have a good paying job here and a family to support. If I take the plunge of moving and doing campus study, managing even on savings is quite difficult isnt it (you have mentioned this yourself in your earlier posts!) About GRE/GMAT, yah I anyways have to do, but having a running income and studying is much less pressure than having to support a family with 2 kids and doing a full time study, what do you say? Since the Uni says that the kind of degree they award is the same even if it is distance edn, I was attracted to it. Plus I am an Engineer in the Managerial cadre here. More help and opinions from you are welcome...please



Hi PRC,
I can understand your predicament..They may be giving the same courses, they may be giving you all the necessary stuff..but as you are aware (being in a Managerial position)...a full fleged program involves case studies, group discussions, visits to industries or solving a problem with active stay in the industry. The theoretical background you can get from their course notes. You may even pass the exams successfully..but what abt the "on-site" practical experience ?...Thats a key component in your studies..You may miss that while doing a distance education. This is because you will have to show such skills in lieu of "Canadian Work Experience" (if you are looking for an equally challenging position in Canada).

Please be aware that I am only speculating something here, based on experiences posted by others as well as first hand information from a few others. Your case may very well be different.

Having a running income and studying is much better from a certain point of view...You see, many universities have programs that enable executives to take up "night classes" as they would generally be busy during the day (with their work)... The point being.."night classes"..aka lectures in the classroom. The reasons above would explain why "executives" (like you) prefer attending night classes. Its called a part-time MBA....You finish the MBA at your own pace, and dont have pressures like the other students.

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