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jake3d   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-09-05 11:53:15

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Orginally posted by crenshaw

There seems to be too much of a temptation to make this into an issue of race.



I agree...same with making it political. All evacuations and precautions are the duty of the State Govt. They failed miserably. Imagine if the feds had said that the state govt is incompetent and moved in troops to prevent looting. People would cry racism much before "Oh they always expect the worst from the black folk" etc,etc.

The state govt did not even have a command center from what I am hearing!

I think after the state govt the responsibility for this mess lies with the FEMA.


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desi in ottawa   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-09-05 12:06:36

I lived in Baton Rouge for a year, used to travel to NO number of times (to have a good time). IMO, Louisiana is a god forsaken place. Typical semi literate (probably uneducated) southern rednecks. Most of them have never ventured out of the state. For them even Texas is a another country. For them I was from another planet. Some of them had asked me "where is India?". U can imagine the rest.

The Gov of Louisiana (lady) is a democrat. She defeated Bobby Jindal in the race. Now Jindal is a congressman from the same state. The lady misguided people so much during the campaign that people thought Jindal was a species from another planet out to destroy christianity despite the fact that Jindal had converted to become a catholic (for political purposes?).

Without New Orleans, Louisiana is like a taluka HQ. No wonder there was nothing in place from the state govt. And the federal govt played politics.

DIO



crenshaw   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-09-05 12:07:42

The underlying message in all of this, unfortunately, is a culture of dependence that has been created among some people here in North America.

Why are things always the reponsibility of the government? N.O. was under a friggin mandatory evacuation – then what were all of those thousands of people doing there trying to ride out the ‘storm’? Were they there out of a sense of opportunism hoping that they would loot whatever they could once the hurricane had passed?………or were they waiting for the ‘government’ to bus them out? If it was either of these – as cruel as this may sound - they got what was coming.



mercury6   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-09-05 12:14:46

The number of people looting is quite small. unfortunately nyou dont need many to give an impression that everyone is doing so.
The huge majority of people at the superdome and convention center, close to 50,000+ are/were not looting. Within those people there are the bad ones.

Here is an interview I found of Mayor Nagin.

http://www.zen41771.zen.co.uk.nyud.net:8090/WWL-AM%20Interview%20Nagin.mp3


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jake3d   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-09-05 12:18:03

Quote:
Orginally posted by crenshaw

The underlying message in all of this, unfortunately, is a culture of dependence that has been created among some people here in North America.




the culture of 'entitlement'.

BTW: Our lady Blanco has finally 'commandeered' the states school buses. You think she should have waited some more?


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macman   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-09-05 12:23:57

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Actually not one can really 'prepare' for a category 4 hurricane in 48 hrs time(it was category 1 when it hit florida..it was cat 4-5 in a few hrs before it hit NewO...NewO levees are built to withstand upto cat 3 hurricanes).

Yes you do prepare in a way. Prior to 9/11, three things that are categorized as most catastrophic that could happen in USA was, nuclear strike on NYC, an earthquake in SF/LA and guess what, Hurricane(cat4-5) in N.O. What happened to those emergency plans prepared after 9/11 if there is any? If I remember correctly (could be wrong) Katrina bypassed NO slightly. I understand what cat5 can do but what is more troubling is what is happening after that.

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I think the Governer/mayor messed up big time. Apparently even the evacuations to the superdome was done only after the feds leaned on the state govt. Considering that the state govt is dem...expect the blame to be shifted on the feds.

The National guard should have been called on by the mayor much earlier. The feds do not have the authority to do that. They state govt was incompetent. I hope the feds sack the lot and takeover(but then that would cause another uproar).


And didn’t they moved in another country to help other people a while back? Who could have stopped them helping their own people. Anyway, sarcasm aside, how many days since feds are handling the issue now? Is it better even now?

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I guess the poor folk in srilanka, indonesia etc were used to living a tough life before the tsunami hit, so they could manage much better after .

I used to think poor people (no matter where) live tough life, but it looks like over dependence on government does soften that survival instinct.



mercury6   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-09-05 12:29:32

Quote:
Orginally posted by macman
Prior to 9/11, three things that are categorized as most catastrophic that could happen in USA was, nuclear strike on NYC, an earthquake in SF/LA and guess what, Hurricane(cat4-5) in N.O. What happened to those emergency plans prepared after 9/11 if there is any?



If I am right its FEMA which made that assertion.
Federal Govt plays a huge part when national disasters occur. Homeland Security and Defense are Fed.


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