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Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 07-03-06 16:37:57
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Orginally posted by amitcr
Look at the writing on the wall and stop acting like victims cuz muslims are not victims but aggressors.
Amitcr:
Though I can appreciate your viewpoint and it is obvious that you are passionate about this topic, I believe that your above statement appears to be biased and does not serve any purpose.
If a group of people choose to act violently in the name of a faith, that does not make all followers of that faith 'aggressors'. In one sense they can be called "victims" because others (such as yourself) generalize the actions of a select few, to the entire religious community.
I agree with TK on this - that one can state their views but without hatred, name calling and bigotry. We can be mature in discussing our views. We all have a lot to learn from each other and humanity will benefit from greater tolerance and understanding rather than blame.
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I have been outraged at what's happening in India ever since I was a kid. I lived in a Muslim dominated area in Bangalore during the late 80's and early 90's and I dont want to delve into the details as to what happened, as I as a Hindu (a majorly minority community in India) am bound to be politically correct no matter what. Or else I risk being branded communal, not by Muslims but our own other politically correct Hindus. This strong selfconsciousness in trying to be Secular or politically correct has been pumped into our blood by generations of worshipping false gods and hiding real history from its inheriters. Today if you read the school history text books, it is too obvious everything is written from the point of not hurting a particular community. But my question is why should one try to be "politically Correct" in righting history when events in history occured when there were no words like "secularism" or a "majority community" or a "minority community" no body was "politically correct" then. There were only agressors and victims. This thought process of being politically correct even if it means selling our country's integrity and security, has entered our genes. It is a chronic (and unfortunately even epidemic) decease that is killing us. I mean my question to all those Secular Hindus is, how can you claim be secular when you are casteist (one more chronic decease), regionist and hardcore linguist (oh for sure and definetly on the rise). If I am wrong on the above, there would'nt have been Dalits, SC's and ST's and reservations would have been phased out gradually. On the cantrary they are on the increase. How can we still keep arguing about Arayans and Dravidians? How can we keep fighting about whose language is superior. How can we not identify with those people living in the remotest places as Assam, Meghalaya, Sikkim. Ok one might argue that the educated Indian are shedding all that. Or are we really? Look at the number of factions we have even among us, a few thousand Immigrants. Kannada Sangha, Tamil Sangha, Bengali's, Punjabi's. Not to forget a subfaction again among the kannadigas, Vokkaligara Sangha and may be there are more. Ok again one might ask what is wrong with them, they reflect diversity. But my fear is our diversity among hindus is more pronounced than the unity itself. When are we going to come forward and say this is a platform for all Hindus (and only Hindus) and not just from north or south. When can there be a common Hindu platform where all castes, creeds, regions and people from all languages can participate freely with common agenda? Yes it looks daunting, but if we put thoughts in that direction, we can definetly come to an acceptable solution. This in my opinion is the first thing we Hindus should tackle. In doing this all Hindus become answerable and responsible. So when there is undivided Hindu vote bank, to whom will our politicians turn during elections. The problem of eternally using Muslims as vote banks and the resulting problem of some Fundamentlist Muslims is solved. Today all the problems are because Muslims are a powerful vote bank. The only way a Hindu can survive in India would be to make history by turning into a strong vote bank or become history in about 3-4 generations.
My thoughts are my own and it is everybody's right to agree or disagree. It is not my intention to hurt anybody's feelings. (Again trying to be Politically correct, even though I hate to. But I think I can cure this desease with everybody's help who thinks on the same lines)
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Orginally posted by amitcr India is the only country in the world where Hindus were systematically targeted, raped and murdered for years in Kashmir by the minority community and nothing was done to soothe their wounds.
Before I start just to throw you off read this.........http://headlines.sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13943651
what about the fact that it is still going on. 8 out of 10 women being raped in kashmir are muslim women. There have been instances where the entire village has been raped full of muslim women by the military
because the husbands or men in the family are selling shawls in calcutta and bombay. According to wikipidea and some other sources around 80,000 people have died since the struggle started in 1980 out of which around 8370 were Hindus. You will never understand their pain. You have no idea how it is like growing up as a minority when you know the majority does not like you and cannot stand you. For every soldier that dies in kashmir 8 are killed (civilians and terrorists). I can keep throwing stats at you but the likes of you will not shut up. Since the day I have joined and have become active on this forum one after another like you comes along throws dirt in the air. I have yet to find threads where muslims have started bashing hindus. And I also have to find some on this thread who have made an effort to answer some of the concerns. The answer probably is either they dont care or the likes of you dont exist for them.One Indian soldier for every seven Kashmiris is used to further India's nationalist claim on Kashmir. More than a million refugees, three wars, and hundreds of thousands have been killed as a result.
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India is the only country in the world where the so called majority have been living as refugees on the outskirts of delhi for over a decade and not a single government minister or official has bothered to go and
visit them. Compare that with Gujarat where in the riots when minority were killed, every minister including sonia gandhi travelled thousands of kms from delhi to gujarat to take stock of the situation.And these guys
didn't have the time to travel a few kms within delhi to visit majority refugees.
If I am not mistaken when that accident took place where 60 or so people died; the entire brigade of gujarat bjp who were all government people at that time and centre bjp followed or lead by vhp and rss was there.And by the way Sonia Gandhi and shivraj patil are in varanasi as I am writing this.
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If this is what majority has to go through in India, I'd rather be a minority.
Well you have been given that chance in Canada of being a minority so make the most of it. And Remember when and If India play canada in the cricket world cup final and Canada beats the shit out of India I expect you to be very happy and burst crackers.
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By the way, NONE of the super active human rights organisations who are fighting for justice in gujarat for the minority riot victims deem it fit to fight for justice for the majority refugees from kashmir.
Who says so HRW keeps a watch on it reports monthly/annually on it. How affective it is I have no idea. And there are plenty more playing their part in the region. Remember if you close your eyes does not mean the sun isnt shining.
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There have been instances where these human rights groups have fought against the cops and government because terrorists have not been treated properly and as human beings. Funny isnt it? the people that the terrorists kill have no human rights but the terrorists should be shown respect just because they are minority. is it human rights or minority rights?
And there have been instances in which the police in the valley have raped plenty of women and got their husbands in jail and then brutally murdered them or beat the living lights out of them. So whats your point
let no one defend their human rights. And the people that the terrorists are killing are 8 out of 10 times muslims so I am inclined to think you are talking about the 2 out of the 10 who might be hindus?
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Musician Nadeem accused to murdering Gulshan Kumar hides in UK claims he is innocent but doesnt want to come to India to prove his innocence because he says he will targeted for being a minority. It's
almost like minority can do what they want and get away with it by playing the same old music of I am being harassed for being a minority.
i do not know what his story his and frankly there are more important things to talk about. But did it occur to you what if he is saying is true read below.
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Azharuddin was accused to match fixing and guess whats the first thing he says? I am being harassed for being a minority.
By the way the first thing he said was I am innocent and I am being framed. Secondly Ajay Jadeja I think you remember him he captained India in a few matches and was the vice captain and also from the
majority Hindu community. The two of them held records for biggest partnerships for 3rd 4th 5th and also 6th wicket if I am uptodate with my memory.(Dont know if they still do). Ajay Jadeja was not found guilty but Azharuddin was How ODD. I dont understand why nadeem has to worry about being harassed for being a minority?
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Isn't it odd that he didn't say thanx to the Indian system for making him the captain of team India despite him being a minority
So you are putting forth the idea/suggestion that people from the minority community when given a high profile role becuase of their merits and skills or otherwise should worship the majority community and drink the water which they used to wash their feet or follow similar gestures to thank them? If thats the case I am still following you. You sound more and more like the togadias and singhals and I hope you are proud of that
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Few years back in Mumbai, muslim organisations claimed that muslim kids will not sing national anthem in schools and muslims should not be forced to stand when national anthem plays in theatres because it's
against islam!
I am not aware about the theatre one so I'll leave that alone. I think its an unnecessary controversy and should be left to the individual to decide whether he wants to or not.
Another thing if you are patriotic and all; I am going to believe you will not acquire canadian citizenship as the one of the things in the oath is that you will bear true allegiance to the queen. (britishers ruled india and
plundered india and all just like the muslim invaders; you know the story).
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When Bush comes to India minorities protest for what he has done in Iraq (unfair what he did there according to me) and afghanistan (very much fair what he did there).
I thought it was a mixed bunch, one more so than the other.
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Point is he has not done anything against India.Why are muslims angry about what US is doing in some other country? or is it they are angry because he has done something against a muslim country?Why can't they protest at the treatment given to non-muslims in saudi arabia and countless muslim majority countries?
And I thought you and the likes of you had a problem with countries not treating hindus right. But see the difference those people went there with their choice nobody forced them to just like you came to canada.
I have yet to talk to people from saudia and dubai compalining about it.
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Why is that muslims get outraged over some stupid cartoons and call for beheading and cutting off of hands and blowing up entire countires! but their muslim brothers cutting innocent people's hands and
heads and blowing them off doesn't ignite anger in them? I find it weird that people get outraged over cartoons but not over murders.
Let me answer this in a language you will understand. I am highly offended by the cartoons and since I am trying to make you understand how this works; answer or may be think about the couple sentences which I have come across in my liftime, I am going to remove it once you have read it and posted your reply.Would it piss you if I asked you why do you worship a monkey (hanuman), death (kali), Elephant (Lord Ganesha), penis (shivling) etc etc. What I am saying is partly or may be fully true but dont you feel a little or may be a lot bad/angry/pissed off when you hear it coming out so crudely from somebody's mouth.
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Why can't the muslims ask themselves one question. Why were cartoons made about their god and not about a christian or hindu god?
search the forum there are few threads where hindus are complaining about some beer,some fashion show, and some other things where hindu gods are/were used.
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Why did the cartoonist get the idea that he did about muslims?
From life and things people see or hear around them is my first guess.
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dont tell me
becasue danes or Europeans don't like muslims. Look at the writing on the wall and stop acting like victims cuz muslims are not victims but aggressors.
That is as true as saying french canadians and english canadians like and love each other.I am looking at the writing on the wall and that is why I am trying to make others understand. (but for some reason it sounds like a threat from you, and pretty scary one)
And please dont stop responding coz if people like you stop doing that what will I have to write about.
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"Progress comes from deviation".
On a side note if anybody finds my comments or posts offensive or irritating please ignore it and if that still bothers you; please write to me and I will demonstrate.
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Orginally posted by BAsh I have been outraged at what's happening in India ever since I was a kid.
Me too.
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I lived in a Muslim dominated area in Bangalore during the late 80's and early 90's and I dont want to delve into the details as to what happened, as I as a Hindu (a majorly minority community in India) am bound to be politically correct no matter what.
Me too again but it was the other way around me muslim being raised in a hindu dominated area.
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Or else I risk being branded communal, not by Muslims but our own other politically correct Hindus.
Me too again, but I was branded a moghul ki aulaad, pakistani and a lot worse.
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"Progress comes from deviation".
On a side note if anybody finds my comments or posts offensive or irritating please ignore it and if that still bothers you; please write to me and I will demonstrate.
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Orginally posted by Azazf
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Or else I risk being branded communal, not by Muslims but our own other politically correct Hindus.
Me too again, but I was branded a moghul ki aulaad, pakistani and a lot worse.
Makes sense feeling bad branded "Moghul ki aulaad" and "Pakistani" since you are truly "Indian". I am pretty sure you must have felt bad when "Indians" were misled in Kashmir to become and support terrorists, you must have felt bad when "Indians" were harrassed there and compelled to live as "refugees" in Delhi, you must have felt bad when Mother F*** Hussein painted and auctioned the paintings of "Bharat Mata", you must have felt bad when innocent people died in Bombay explosions; Post Babri riots; Post Godhara riots; Varansi blasts; attack on Akshardham temple; attack on parliament etc. and many more happenings. Me too......... because .......I am like you....."Indian".
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Orginally posted by zhabuk
you must have felt bad when innocent people died in Bombay explosions; Post Babri riots; Post Godhara riots; Varansi blasts; attack on Akshardham temple; attack on parliament etc. and many more happenings. Me too......... because .......I am like you....."Indian".
I am not sure if the bomb used in the bombay explosions was designed in such a way that it would only kill hindus........interesting isnt it!!!
But I am sure that the riots that followed the explosions the muslim minority ended up in the hospitals dead in a majorly quantity although they are a minority.
Same thing with godhra riots.........63 hindus and estimated between 1000 to 3000 muslims and did i mention over a million displaced. (we all know the government numbers are always accurate). Does the countless women and girls raped count and the kids murdered make any difference.
Post babri riots as well..........I am going to put my money on the fact that more muslims were burnt, murdered, looted.
Every time there are riots in ahmedabad not only more muslims are killed, but the rioters are given voters list and business lists so that then can go and burn their restaurants, pan shops or plenty more businesses. Coz they say the best way to break the bone is to make sure they dont have food on the table.
I think its high time the bunch of you stop saying that hindus are submissive and they never take action. That is total crap.......every time something like this happens they have taken action. So My turn to say stop playing the victiims all the time.
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"Progress comes from deviation".
On a side note if anybody finds my comments or posts offensive or irritating please ignore it and if that still bothers you; please write to me and I will demonstrate.
A hindu majority nation having a Muslim President and Sikh PM..and we are playing like victims??? looks more like we have been forced to be victims..earlier by better cavalry and unity and later by petty politics...
wait..i am not saying i dont like them being where they are... Just saying how tolerant we are..and how tolerant others are..(guess no eg are needed)
lets get down the basics... What makes one a hindu and another a muslim?
I believe all gods are one..whatever form worshippers do..
can other religions saya that..
werent muslims trying to kill/convert the infidels in the name of allah..and isnt that the source of all troubles...
being ruled by a Minority for several 100 years.... Doesnt do much good for feelings...
Again...You are not at fault, neither am I..It is not Hindu / Muslim..it is some irresponsible fellows on both sides..who dont have enough sense to see the consequences of their actions... and who believe they ARE THE ONLY RIGHT PEOPLE AND THE GREATEST BECAUSE THEIR GOD IS THE TRUE ONE...
so...answer now guys...
(this is just a debate..and my views..nothing else..i am a Hindu and i am tolerant and i believe all gods are one)
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