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diamond_n   
Member since: Jan 06
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-04-06 08:26:23

Hi all,
I've seen a lot of posts where people have stated their reasons for leaving / wanting to leave Canada. It would be nice if those who've decided to stay on in Canada despite all the hardships could post their reasons for doing so.

It would probably help prospective immigrants like me in deciding whether to take that final step.

Thanks to all

Diamond



duncan   
Member since: Jul 04
Posts: 231
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-04-06 09:06:09

There are plenty of threads on CD, where people have shown concern why they love canada. and and the opposition have shown y they are leaving? so I guess instead of starting the debate again, u should check out those first. and if still u didn't find what u want then please post ur question.
I am in support of living here in canada and my reason is clear:-

I did all the hard work again after coming to this land, got candian education and then a decent job in starting and now I just love this country for all the reasons to be in. I beleive a person not having canadian education are the first who suffers while finding a good job, the reason is simple "if u wanna earn more, go back to school". But there are still lucky chaps aroud who really got into good work place without any further education in canada. but the % of those is very low, and most immigrant turn up doing labor jobs in end. afterall they have to support their families with them.

Age plays a major role in canada, if u r between 20-30, most likely this is the country for u and u have many oppurtunities in front of u waiting. above 40 i don't think is the right age for coming here, unless u really care for ur childrens and want them to start their life in this land.

I repect the laws here, beleive in paying income tax and I feel like a respectable citizen when I see a police man and MP's all standing in que rather then straighway going in front like in India.

I love when I brethe here in open first time I landed at toronto airport.

I like people doing there own work and not putting their "nose" in others business.

I like coming to my house neat and clean after work.

I like the services to common man here, u don't need to be a celebrity or someone in poilitics to feel special. U R SPECIAL WHEN U R IN CANADA.

I love people living peacefully without any riots in between them. (this is to remind u that due to immigrant population, canada is more multicultural then India)

and the list goes on................

I love CANADA and I respect INDIA.


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jake3d   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 2962
Location: Montreal

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-04-06 09:09:50

A good thought so here's one reply struggling to make brevity the essence.

What I like:
1) Ability to have family time. Weekends and after work hours are for family and your boss is well advised not to call you :), without being well re-imbursed for the extra time(There are exceptions...but they are not the norm)

2) Ability to have an acive lifestyle. e.g: our family of four like to go cycling thru the many parks that we have here. When we do not have time for that we just bike on the many bike paths that run alongside major roads(especially in the suburbs of Montreal)

3)Convenience of public facilities..e.g: punctuality of public transport, ease of registering a business, obtaining a passport, filing taxes etc.

4) Free health care. Its not perfect but both my kids were born here and I have had to make numerous trips to the hospital and I personally feel well served. Note: My mom is a registered nurse and ended her career with hospital management in Mumbai. She has worked extensively in the west, middle east and In major hospitals like Jaslok in Mumbai. She was present during the births of her grandkids here and she was impressed with the quality of care.
NOTE: there ARE chronic shortcomings in the health care system but I have not experienced those.

5) Ability to own a decent sized property with decent space indoors and outdoors, to call your own.

6) Kids have a well-rounded education within the public school system. e.g: swimming, ice skating, etc.

7) A generally civic-minded and responsible citizenry.

8) Run ones life/art/business with the least interference from politicians, moral police, corrupt officials and goons.

Now all/some of this maybe available in India IF you have the money/social status. However, these are available to an average middle class citizen of Canada.

That's the kind of lifestyle and education I want to give to my kids.

I would probably have had all this available to me in India(at a price) but I did not want to bring up my children with an elitist mindset impervious to the pain around. It is a personal choice.


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Big Vee   
Member since: Jan 05
Posts: 456
Location: Canada-Glorious and Free

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-04-06 10:34:28

Quote:
Originally posted by jake3d

A good thought so here's one reply struggling to make brevity the essence.

What I like:
1) Ability to have family time. Weekends and after work hours are for family and your boss is well advised not to call you :), without being well re-imbursed for the extra time(There are exceptions...but they are not the norm)

2) Ability to have an acive lifestyle. e.g: our family of four like to go cycling thru the many parks that we have here. When we do not have time for that we just bike on the many bike paths that run alongside major roads(especially in the suburbs of Montreal)

3)Convenience of public facilities..e.g: punctuality of public transport, ease of registering a business, obtaining a passport, filing taxes etc.

4) Free health care. Its not perfect but both my kids were born here and I have had to make numerous trips to the hospital and I personally feel well served. Note: My mom is a registered nurse and ended her career with hospital management in Mumbai. She has worked extensively in the west, middle east and In major hospitals like Jaslok in Mumbai. She was present during the births of her grandkids here and she was impressed with the quality of care.
NOTE: there ARE chronic shortcomings in the health care system but I have not experienced those.

5) Ability to own a decent sized property with decent space indoors and outdoors, to call your own.

6) Kids have a well-rounded education within the public school system. e.g: swimming, ice skating, etc.

7) A generally civic-minded and responsible citizenry.

8) Run ones life/art/business with the least interference from politicians, moral police, corrupt officials and goons.

Now all/some of this maybe available in India IF you have the money/social status. However, these are available to an average middle class citizen of Canada.

That's the kind of lifestyle and education I want to give to my kids.

I would probably have had all this available to me in India(at a price) but I did not want to bring up my children with an elitist mindset impervious to the pain around. It is a personal choice.




Allow me to add:-

1) Ability to travel anywhere in the world with my head held high.

2) The opportunity to have my children growing up in a multi-cultural and multi-faith environment.

3) Ability to protest or vote or participate in any public forums without fear of reprisal

4) The ability to sleep soundly at night knowing that everything will be okay the next morning. But if it is not - that unbridled help and caring will be available from fellow citizens.


BV



sanjeevm   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 497
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-04-06 11:10:42

This incident happened just last week:-

I was in the studio of a radio station (770 AM) when the host of 'Saaz-o-Awaaz' program told me that she will be interviewing Mr. Joe Volpe (Former minister of Immigration and Citizenship department) who has been recently nominated as the future Prime Minister of Canada in Liberal party, if Liberals come in power. So if I had any questions or concerns, I might ask him on-air. Since I had an appointment already scheduled so I could not wait for him and I started leaving the studio.
The moment I opened the main door, I saw a tall white man standing out side the studio. We exchanged greetings.......he saw me coming out so he waited for me and then he made his entry to the room. For a moment, I was thinking: Was he Joe Volpe? Then I answered to my self: No, he can not be. Afterall, he is a former cabinet minister and 'would be' Prime Minister of Canada when Liberals come in power. He can't come just like that....I mean no security, no 'chamchas', no police...................I don't know why but I returned to studio...just to see....and I saw him standing out side the 'studio' as the host was 'on-air'. Then somebody else came in the room and this white man told him that he was Joe Volpe and he was there for the interview. He also apologised for being late by 7 minutes.
I was like........oh my GOD. He is Joe, the former Immigration minister!!
As I was getting late for the appointment, I left quickly but I kept looking for the 'security', 'chamchas', 'police' etc... while coming down from 4th floor to the parking lot......but no one was there.
I listened to his live interview and the 'question-answer' session 'on-air' while I was in the car.

This is what Canada is, my friend. Can you imagine this in India? I don't think that in India, even a 5th grade fail, 'chhut-putia, tucha', elected from Ward no. 2 in the place of total population of 10000 , so called 'local politician' would move without 3-4 chamchas or at-least 2 pandu hawaldars (in the name of security).


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meghal   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-04-06 13:39:53

Quote:
Originally posted by sanjeevm

Mr. Joe Volpe (Former minister of Immigration and Citizenship department) who has been recently nominated as the future Prime Minister of Canada in Liberal party, if Liberals come in power.



Joe Volpe for liberal leadership race? Never heard that before.

IMHO, there is no such thing as "nomination for future PM". The probable contenders for liberal party leadership election, which is in november are Michael Ignatieff, Bob Rae, Gerard Kennedy, and Scott Brison. :(


Quote:
so called 'local politician' would move without 3-4 chamchas or at-least 2 pandu hawaldars (in the name of security).


Agree with this part. Most of the politicians are university graduates with degree in law or economics. For e.g. Jack Layton was a professor of Economics before he entered politics.

Regarding approachibility, I have heard Bill Graham relaixng in a local Toronto bar in between other common people,when he was a defence minister. Can you believe any Indian politician going in a bar without a "fauj" of bodyguards?

My colleague saw Toronto mayor David Miller in an Indian restaurant. So politicians can be down-to-earth here. And I have heard about numerous politicians who have retired from politics to seek family life or career. Never heard about a retired politician in India.

The best part I liked about democracy here is the easy accessibiilty to Parliament Building in Ottawa. Any man can go right to the door of parliament without being encountered by a security personnel.

Meghal



duncan   
Member since: Jul 04
Posts: 231
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-04-06 14:09:20

yeah really a good going guys,

I would like to add one more thing to my list...

security for womens, earlier I have seen in India the eve-teasing and harrasment for working womens and girls on roads. but here I feel secure when my wife travels alone or go to work.


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