Hello All:
This is my first post here. But I would like to thank this forum for the numerous tips I have got reading the posts here. I am a masters student from India in the US (health related field). I have just got my PR card (skilled worker category) and I am waiting for my SIN card to apply for jobs in Canada.
Going through various forums there is a lot of negativity regarding jobs. The so called lack of "Canadian Experience" seems to hang like the damocles sword around every landed new immigrant. Is it really that bad? Going through job sites for searches in my field, I do see jobs and internships that are available. Do people just reject you outright because of lack of Canadian experience. I know that I need to get a few certifications in some provinces which Iam willing to do. But people keep telling me to stay back in the US for 3 years and test the H-1 waters before I make a move.
I feel the US is equally tough. I have friends in the IT field here who after graduation in the US had to wait close to a year before they got a proper job. Some are still being exploited by consultancy firms in the US. But then everyone just holds on to the US dream at any cost. (Nothing wrong with that)
Just my personal opinion:
1) Qualified people who come on family sponsored green cards to the US:You can be the most qualified doc, professor, engineer in you home country but in the US too, you can still end up working odd jobs or may never hold a position that you were in for the rest of your life because of lack of US qualifications or certifications.
2) Its just that there are more foreign trained qualified people in Canada, so you might see more of them doing odd jobs in Canada. If the US had a similar immigration system Iam sure you would have seen the same in the US.
3) Age: Yes, you are not supposed to discriminate people for jobs because of age but they do. I have a good example in the US where a fellow graduate student a senior person couldnt get even a student job for a long time because of his age (close to 40). Though they never said it, but that is a fact.
Some supervisors find it hard to delegate work to qualified (over qualified) and senior people.
Well I have close to 8 months before I graduate and will start applying for jobs and internships from the US and I will see how things turn out. I hope to remain positive. Good luck to all of you!
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"Aerodynamically, the bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly, but the bumble bee doesn't know it so it goes on flying anyway."
I am talking bout my experience,
canadian emplyoer prefers canadian experience, and there is no doubt about that. so what the hell is this canadian experience, please check below...
canadian experience = canadian study + work experience + good language skills
and they are right in this way, atleast I had not seen any nigerian working in India for any company. evey country have its own education system, and they prefer their students over others. and it's same in canada, nothing odd.......
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Originally posted by duncan
atleast I had not seen any nigerian working in India for any company.
hey man I do know not one but 2 nigerians working in india !!!
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Manny
"Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes."
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Posted on: 29-04-06 15:42:18
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Originally posted by duncan
and they are right in this way, atleast I had not seen any nigerian working in India for any company. evey country have its own education system, and they prefer their students over others. and it's same in canada, nothing odd.......
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Duncan,
But Canada is recruiting around 225,000-250,000 people a year (almost 0.75 % of its polpulation each year, many of them colored people) and i think that most of them recruited are ONLY the best professionals in their field and so you better see more "Colored" people in Canada in professional workplace b'cos otherwise they will be in Labour jobs.
The reason why you donot see white people in india is because India does not "Recruit" a specified number of professional Gora's to aid the Indian ecconomy.
TK
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But Canada is recruiting around 225,000-250,000 people a year (almost 0.75 % of its polpulation each year, many of them colored people) and i think that most of them recruited are ONLY the best professionals in their field and so you better see more "Colored" people in Canada in professional workplace b'cos otherwise they will be in Labour jobs.
The reason why you donot see white people in india is because India does not "Recruit" a specified number of professional Gora's to aid the Indian ecconomy.
I totally agree with TK on that.
Location: God's own country
Posted on: 29-04-06 19:02:11
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Originally posted by duncan
canadian emplyoer prefers canadian experience, and there is no doubt about that. so what the hell is this canadian experience, please check below...
canadian experience = canadian study + work experience + good language skills
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Duncan,
You are wrong in this one too.
The extreme case of Canadian experience is need for Canadian Study. If Canadian study was a requite, then 90 % of the present immigrants who are employed would be unemployed. Canadian experience can be defined as an understanding as to how Canadians work and prior work in that area in Canada. You can volunteer to get that work experience.
for example : In Architectural Housing, Canadian experience means knowing the various components of the Canadian house, Knowing the compenents of Canadian Siting, Complete knowledge of part 9 of the OBC. You canot study this in any architectural course. It can be got only by experience. But the situation is that no office is willing to spare 10 mins. to teach you this or have someone teach this for you. They are waiting for some person from Heaven to come and do this from Day 1. They always hire "Gora's" and expect to do all these things from day 1 and almost all of them canot do it and they fire them. The problems with "Gora's" is that they will not allow anyone to teach them and the problem with my boss is that he does not trust that any immigrant will be clever and pick up from 10 minutes of lecture. The result : Existing staff are exploited.
TK
Sidenote : My statement will fit 100% into the field of Architecture only.
In USA also nothing of this is taught in the university, but the employers there take some time to teach the employee's this and then work is extracted. A contrast with Canada.
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I am a Gents and not a Ladies.
Quote:
Originally posted by duncan
I am talking bout my experience,
canadian emplyoer prefers canadian experience, and there is no doubt about that. so what the hell is this canadian experience, please check below...
canadian experience = canadian study + work experience + good language skills
and they are right in this way, atleast I had not seen any nigerian working in India for any company. evey country have its own education system, and they prefer their students over others. and it's same in canada, nothing odd.......
I am talking bout my experience,
canadian emplyoer prefers canadian experience, and there is no doubt about that. so what the hell is this canadian experience, please check below...
canadian experience = canadian study + work experience + good language skills
and they are right in this way, atleast I had not seen any nigerian working in India for any company. evey country have its own education system, and they prefer their students over others. and it's same in canada, nothing odd.......
Duncan is 100% wrong! I have seen many past posting where he has taken up crusade to defend and justify indefensible and horrific attitude of Canadian people.
India does not advertise the world over and invite highly qualified people to migrate and work for India and then offer labor jobs.
Ask any one who has tried to accomplish some professional course in Canada. I did and though I passed very tough and challenging examination 2 years back, I am not awarded professional degree (and probably would never be awarded ) as I have not been able to accomplish “practical experience” requirement. Believe me the rules are so framed one would never be able to fulfill this requirement unless one is really lucky. Just to quote one example, I know quite a few numbers of accountants who have passed CGA examination. However, a careful analysis of CGA membership profile reveals that 80% of the new CGAs enrolled during last 8 years are immigrants. However, they are not granted parity with CAs in spite of the fact that courts in Canada have several times in past pointed out that it is unfair and directed Ontario Government to amend the rules. Ontario Government was then forced to take steps to comply with this and guess the result? Yes, you guessed it right!. They have come up with a solution that CGAs, to get parity should first work under CAs for 30 months! Now CAs will never provide job to CGA (naturally who likes competition). This has been done by Liberals who are supposed to be friendly to immigrants! What a shame and what a joke.
Well I have seen so many threads and postings on this subject on CD website and I almost decided not to write but then I decided to go ahead and post my views for a change.
I have deepest mistrust of what Canada and white Canadian says. They never mean what they say. They are biggest hypocrites and though I am Canadian Citizen I feel ashamed to proclaim this.
All professional courses are so designed that the organization can control admission , education and membership.
I would conclude this by giving a couple of examples which any educated person may find hard to believe.
In Canada there is no uniform examination for 12th Standard which is the base for admitting a student to University study program. Have any of you heard this kind of program in any country other than Canada? Disadvantages and unfairness of such a system should be obvious. I have a colleague in my company whose 3 kids are in Catholic school and he confided in me that most students in such a school score more than 90%! Naturally, they get admitted to University of their choice and get bursary and scholarship. On the other hand I have a very close friend whose son, though kept scoring more than 85% marks in all the subjects other than English. Guess the reason? No, you did not guess correctly. He had studied up to standard 8 in Xavier school in India in English medium. My friend went and inquired from the English teacher that when his son can write fluent English and hence score close to 90% in all the subjects how come in English language he scores poorly. She came up with reply “Indian student are excellent in Grammar but English being second language, are not good in literature! Ultimately, he could not get in to UFT just because of poor marks in English.
Now let us look at Pharmacy program. What are the criteria for admission? If you look at the admission requirements, they require really good score in many science subjects. Fair enough but the devil is in small print. Good marks are to just screening purpose. But actual admission is based upon “Writing an essay in English on any subject”. Now you will be able to judge that when such is a criteria, entire admission process becomes highly subjective and then the University can pick and choose a person.
I am sure some CDs (Duncan should be and would the first) will give very vitriolic reaction. I am waiting for their justification as my conscious can not reconcile to such a systematic discrimination. I have only one hope. China will overtake all these racist in 10 years and hopefully make them their economic slaves. (India had that potential but with Sonia , Mani Ayaar, Arjun , Natwar Laloo and many other Jokers in her pack, will probably go back to dark ages in 20 years)
