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On the other hand, with Sonia and Marxists in power, you would be better off in Canada.
That depends on who you are. If you from one from those poor upper caste families. But if you are from a caste that has reservations then you are probably better off in India.
By the way, before some people start attacking me - let me be clear, though I am from one of those castes that do not have reservation, I do agree there was a lot of injustice done for the past 2000 years or more for the lower castes. However i do not think reservation would help correct the mistakes. The better way is to implement scholarships and other financial assisstance for poor people of all castes to give them equal opportunity to study and compete with the students from richer sections of the society.
No. It does not depend on who you are. Even if some one is from OBC/SC/ST, reservation is not going to help.
But with Sonia and Marxist, the problem is lack of commitment to India. The policies they have are designed to weaken India, divide its people on Caste/ Religion and do long term harm to India. I believe that in 10 years we would consider our self to be lucky being in Canada unless people through this garbage in trash.
Well, I tend to disagree. If the right wing BJP is in power, that will create a lot more problems. I believe BJP has the support of most of the upper caste people who want to preserve their power by dividing the lower caste on the name of religion. I read somewhere that some of the top BJP leaders have their sons/daughters educated in missionary schools and sent them abroad. So I believe their hundutva policy is merely a pretext to make most of the lower caste people forget about the injustice done to them.
Besides, BJP's 'be indian buy indian' swadeshi policy if implemented will drive away all the foreign multinationals.
There is no doubt that the 80% lower caste people were denied opportunites for several centuries in India and were oppressed and discriminated. The future of India depends on bringing all of them on par with other people. But reservations is not the way to do that.
India should have a system similar to that of affirmative action in the US instead of reservations for the poor people of all castes
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Originally posted by Nightmare
Well Cren, YES CGA HAVE BEEN DISBARRED from certain privileges which they enjoyed till now under new bill.
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by appealing to Premier and MPP so that at least they can have their privileges under old Act.
Make up your mind, is it the 'new bill' or the 'old Act'. What do you mean by 'disbarred'? If you are referring to the 'public attest function', was there a single day when you had that right, that has now been taken away?
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Originally posted by Nightmare
So before migrating to Canada, please carefully study those barriers. My advice is that whenever you find that you have to obtain "Canadain experience" under some professional, you would find it very difficult to fulfill those requirements unless you are extremly smart, networked and lucky.
Exactly, if you are a good professional, you wouldn't hop onto a plane, get to Canada, and then figure out the entry requirements. You would have done your homework well in advance.
Funny how the 'luck' factor comes into play when people don't want to admit that they are stupid.
Its unlikely that you will have any answers to the questions that I asked, so lets not ramble on, stick to the original post.
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Posted on: 23-05-06 12:23:07
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Posted on: 23-05-06 12:23:07
Before this thread dissolves into a debate about Indian Politics, allow me to input my points of view.
First, I think the federal government is taking steps in the right direction. One of the first thing people complain about after landing here is recognition of professional accreditation and Canadian experience.
One of the roles of a professional association is to control the supply of professionals in the field. Among other things, it helps to maintain the "value" of the profession.
I personally disagree with this system, much like I disagree with labour unions controlling the supply of labour. I guess I am an equal opportunity offender and a free market proponent. I believe the government should regulate the accreditation of foreign trained professionals, in effect by-passing the industry association. Do not get me wrong. I am not proposing lowering standards; instead I am proposing setting up minimum standards that are independent of supply.
Say 150 nurses decide to immigrate to Canada, and decide to live in Ontario. Regardless of what the targets set by the Ont Nurses Assoc, these nurses will be accredited and allowed to practice in Ontario. Of course they have to meet the minimum standards set by the government. As you can see, this is viewed as a threat to professional associations. At the risk of sounding like a political activist, I would urge all Desi's to support this move by the federal government. If you happen to meet with your MP, make sure you mention this.
The discussion regarding CGA and the Certified Public Accountability Board (CPAB) is exactly the type of lobbying these professional associations will do to continue to control supply of professionals. Here is an excerpt from the latest press release:-
“Canadian governments believe that it is in the best interests of the public to have multiple accounting designations in the marketplace. They have adopted legislation to enact this. Therefore, the accounting profession in Canada exists as a multi-jurisdictional landscape. CGAs have worked collaboratively with CPAB since it was formed in 2002. Despite this, CPAB has failed to recognize the jurisdiction of all accounting bodies to undertake professional standard setting as set out by Canadian legislation. We would be failing in our responsibility to the public if we don’t act,” concluded Girard.
BV
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Originally posted by crenshaw
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Originally posted by Nightmare
Well Cren, YES CGA HAVE BEEN DISBARRED from certain privileges which they enjoyed till now under new bill.
snip
by appealing to Premier and MPP so that at least they can have their privileges under old Act.
Make up your mind, is it the 'new bill' or the 'old Act'. What do you mean by 'disbarred'? If you are referring to the 'public attest function', was there a single day when you had that right, that has now been taken away?
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Originally posted by Nightmare
So before migrating to Canada, please carefully study those barriers. My advice is that whenever you find that you have to obtain "Canadain experience" under some professional, you would find it very difficult to fulfill those requirements unless you are extremly smart, networked and lucky.
Exactly, if you are a good professional, you wouldn't hop onto a plane, get to Canada, and then figure out the entry requirements. You would have done your homework well in advance.
Funny how the 'luck' factor comes into play when people don't want to admit that they are stupid.
Its unlikely that you will have any answers to the questions that I asked, so lets not ramble on, stick to the original post.
The Stupid questions that you pose betrays your laziness. I have mentioned several times that it is not possible to summarize the injustice that has been done to CGA. You better find on your own or ask any CGA and he will probaly summarize and explain you the the draconian provisions of the new bill.
Well as regards your contention that luck does not count, I believe that you are doing injustice to a very large number of CD professionals as 80% of them (at least in accounting field) do not requalify in Canada as CAs and that too not because they can not pass the examination, but because of the requirement that they have to serve for 30 months in "Designated CA firm".
CGA has adopted a certification model that is prevailing in most advanced countries of the worls like U.K., Australia and many European countries and USA (to a large extent) . So when you try to guess and not study the issue , you sound and act like stupid, not CDs who could not requalify. I have a great faith and proud for Indian CA desination and firm conviction that given the opportunity, most would pass Canadian CA exam. Also most people do not have idea about the crookedness of Canadians. Before I migrated to Canada, I had gone through requalification process. I also had studied very carefully advertisement posted in The Globe And Mail and in Toronto star which were full of advetisement for accountants required by CA firms. Various sites like Monster etc also painted rosy picture . The fact that CA magazine had carried full page advertisement "Canada welcomes Indian CAs" was so convincing, that I decided to migrate and my interaction with other CD members , Irealized that most had done due diligance on their part. It seems that you are sold to Canadian dream. May be you have become some senior clerk/ supervisor and feel that your life time mbitions have been fulfilled and that you are "Smart" and the rest who could not make it are "Stupid". Try some time to talk to CDs and find out how frustrating their experience has been. But if you ask me you better stick to Proof reading my posts as you are THE BEST at it.
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Originally posted by Big Vee
Before this thread dissolves into a debate about Indian Politics, allow me to input my points of view.
First, I think the federal government is taking steps in the right direction. One of the first thing people complain about after landing here is recognition of professional accreditation and Canadian experience.
One of the roles of a professional association is to control the supply of professionals in the field. Among other things, it helps to maintain the "value" of the profession.
I personally disagree with this system, much like I disagree with labour unions controlling the supply of labour. I guess I am an equal opportunity offender and a free market proponent. I believe the government should regulate the accreditation of foreign trained professionals, in effect by-passing the industry association. Do not get me wrong. I am not proposing lowering standards; instead I am proposing setting up minimum standards that are independent of supply.
Say 150 nurses decide to immigrate to Canada, and decide to live in Ontario. Regardless of what the targets set by the Ont Nurses Assoc, these nurses will be accredited and allowed to practice in Ontario. Of course they have to meet the minimum standards set by the government. As you can see, this is viewed as a threat to professional associations. At the risk of sounding like a political activist, I would urge all Desi's to support this move by the federal government. If you happen to meet with your MP, make sure you mention this.
The discussion regarding CGA and the Certified Public Accountability Board (CPAB) is exactly the type of lobbying these professional associations will do to continue to control supply of professionals. Here is an excerpt from the latest press release:-
“Canadian governments believe that it is in the best interests of the public to have multiple accounting designations in the marketplace. They have adopted legislation to enact this. Therefore, the accounting profession in Canada exists as a multi-jurisdictional landscape. CGAs have worked collaboratively with CPAB since it was formed in 2002. Despite this, CPAB has failed to recognize the jurisdiction of all accounting bodies to undertake professional standard setting as set out by Canadian legislation. We would be failing in our responsibility to the public if we don’t act,” concluded Girard.
BV
Thanks for this excellent posting and steering debate to intended path
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Originally posted by Nightmare
The Stupid questions that you pose betrays your laziness. I have mentioned several times that it is not possible to summarize the injustice that has been done to CGA. You better find on your own or ask any CGA and he will probaly summarize and explain you the the draconian provisions of the new bill.
Since you aren't able to substantiate what you posted in your first 2 posts, you get down to the 'ask any CGA defence'. If you had any substance, the time that you spent on that long post, could have summarized the issue (I believe the CGA Institute's note, prepared for circulation, on the issue was shorter than your post)
You talked about 'CGAs being disbarred', I asked you to explain the basis for making that statement, evidently you don't have one. If you did, you would have explained the issue rather than going off on a tangent making personal statements, when you don't know who I am.
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Originally posted by Nightmare
Well as regards your contention that luck does not count, I believe that you are doing injustice to a very large number of CD professionals as 80% of them (at least in accounting field) do not requalify in Canada as CAs and that too not because they can not pass the examination, but because of the requirement that they have to serve for 30 months in "Designated CA firm".
.........and yet there are many that do. Incidentally, I am one of those that have used the reciprocity route to the CA designation, with my foreign (Middle East) experience being recognized
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Originally posted by Nightmare
Before I migrated to Canada, I had gone through requalification process.
I also had studied very carefully advertisement posted in The Globe And Mail and in Toronto star which were full of advetisement for accountants required by CA firms.
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The fact that CA magazine had carried full page advertisement "Canada welcomes Indian CAs" was so convincing, that I decided to migrate and my interaction with other CD members , Irealized that most had done due diligance on their part. .
Evidently, you (and the others that you interacted with) didn't do your due diligence well enough!
Besides, studying newspaper advertisements by itself is hardly of any use. (I've yet to see a full page advertisement in the CA magazine 'welcoming Indian CAs'). I would have thought that you would have contacted the Institute itself to find out their requirements for certification, before you got to Canada. If you did (or if you had browsed their website), you would have known the entry requirements. Perhaps, there wouldn't have been a 'Nightmare'.
I won't bother about the personal comments that you made, they are not related to this topic.
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