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Ottawa_Nerd   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-08-06 00:13:50

Interesting.... :p (Looks like the chickens are coming to roost !)

http://www.dawn.com/2006/08/23/int2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.dawn.com/2006/08/23/int2.htm</a>


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Ottawa_Nerd   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-08-06 02:45:19

..Interesting (Part 2)...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5277010.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5277010.stm</a>

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Australian jailed for bomb plots
An Australian policeman during an anti-terror raid
Australia has beefed up its anti-terror laws due to global events
An Australian man has been sentenced to 20 years in jail for plotting bombing attacks in Sydney.

Faheem Khalid Lodhi, a Pakistan-born architect, was convicted in June of planning various attacks on the city's power grid and military installations.

He was found guilty of three charges relating to terrorism, and faced a maximum sentence of life in jail.

Lodhi, who denies all charges against him, was prosecuted under Australia's strict new anti-terrorism laws.

'Violent terrorist acts'

Lohdi showed no emotion during Judge Anthony Whealy's sentencing on Wednesday.

Judge Whealy said that tough punishment was needed, because his actions "displayed an intention on his part that a violent terrorist act or acts would be carried out in Australia".

During Lodhi's trial in June, the New South Wales Supreme Court heard that he was planning an attack in Sydney in October 2003.

The prosecution said that the 36-year-old architect had written a so-called terror manual in his native Urdu, with instructions for making explosives and poisons obtained from the internet.

The court was also shown maps of Australia's national electricity grid that Lodhi had bought, and DVDs in his possession that contained information on violent jihad and terrorist training.

Lodhi pleaded not guilty to the charges, and claimed that his interest in chemicals was part of a business venture, and the maps of Sydney's energy infrastructure were part of a marketing plan to send generators to Pakistan. ( :clap: , :clap: )

Investigators have also claimed that Lodhi was in close contact with a suspected extremist from France, Willie Brigitte, who was deported by Australian authorities.

Both men are alleged to have trained with Lashkar-i-Toiba, a militant group based in Pakistan.

New laws

Three people have been convicted of terrorist charges under Australia's tough new security laws, which came into effect in 2002.

Last week one of the men convicted, Joseph Thomas (nicknamed Jihad Jack), was released when the Victoria Court of Appeal ruled that some of the evidence used against him was not admissible at his trial.

Thomas had previously been found guilty of receiving money and a plane ticket from an al-Qaeda agent, after training with the group in Afghanistan in 2001.

It is unclear whether he will face a retrial.


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sanjeevm   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-08-06 10:37:10

Lodhi pleaded not guilty to the charges, and claimed that his interest in chemicals was part of a business venture, and the maps of Sydney's energy infrastructure were part of a marketing plan to send generators to Pakistan. ( , )
:D :D :D
Aah......Stop it! I can't laugh more...


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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-08-06 12:30:21

The most worrisome information from many of the news coming on the same topic from many parts of the world is that most of these people are Educated with top degrees and are professional.

The whole idea of education is not to put a few alphabets behind the name, but to think through issues rationally and see right from wrong.

If we are going to have such highly educated/professional - "Sleepers" sitting in many parts of the world, I do not know what the future is going to hold out for us and our children.

This reminds me of what happened in my daughters class last year, when children were asked what they wanted to be when they grow up, many children said that they wanted to be Doctors, Computer Engineers, Nurses and suddenly one kind said he wanted to be a "Terrorist". The police was called to school, the doors were shut and the children were kept inside closed doors for 2 hours. The kid was interrogated by police and later released and was asked to take anger management classes. I do not know whether the family will be under survelliance even now, as a word like this would not come into a kids vocabulry by itself. This happened in a school called "Glen Haven Senior Secondary School".

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amitcr   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-08-06 12:50:29

I am all for racial profiling. The kind of security delays seen across airports across the world are simply unsustainable and besides why should the majority of genuine travellers pay for the madness of a few. Like Mark Flanagan has said:

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If the threat is coming from a particular group, I can understand why it would make sense to single them out for further questioning.”


However, the downside of this is that most westerners don't know how to distinguish muslims from others. For them all brown skin people are muslims! Countless times I have been asked by colleagues and people here if I am muslim. So if this is to happen, it better happen after good training of the security officers.



tamilkuravan   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-08-06 13:02:39

Racial profiling is a discrimination. It will entice hatred towards others by the community involved. And what is the basis for Racial profiling? Donot each and every community have bad eggs? e.g ->
Sri lankans - LTTE
Irish-> IRA
Pak -> lakshar I Tiba
Indians -> Kalisthan / Godhra
Americans -> Richard Ried shoe bomber

If we discriminate this community, then next may be they will find other ways to carry out their evil deeds. The solution should be "Equal checking for every race". If you donot like it , then please find alternate means of transport / find a place where you are welcomed.
OTOH, many people of this community did not beg to be settled in this land but that the country in which they are now living are the countries that gave them refuge/ immigration. Therefore it is the country's problem and not the community's problem. The country (of which they are part of ) is to blame and not the community.

TK A
Sidenote : I agree with Amit that westerners be more educated about Aisans and their religion. I remember that when i was new in Canada in July 2002 and was doing security for the Pope's visit in the CNE/ DOwnsview, I was repeatedly asked by security guard heads if i needed time off to pray.
Note to ON ->
Racial discrimination/ profiling is a form of Insult. Even if you are clean, it is very insulting and degrading to be pulled off from a line and be searched infront of every person. Also this can lead to fellow passengers taking advantage of you.
eg. after sept. 11th, it seems that a women told security in the plane that she was not willing to travel with a bearded man. How insulting it must have been for that person to be pulled off the plane and to be sent in the next one.
I oppose racial profiling.


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amitcr   
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Location: North York, Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-08-06 13:14:50

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many people of this community did not beg to be settled in this land but that the country in which they are now living are the countries that gave them refuge/ immigration


And they still feel it's perfectly okay to bomb that country? They are still refugees, but what about those who are born, brought up, educated here with professional jobs and still want to blow up buildings, subway trains, buses, planes etc.?

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Donot each and every community have bad eggs?


I agree with that totally. But apart from one suspected khalistan Air India bombing, these guys dont go about randomly blowing people and infrastrucutre up. Also, most of the other groups do not believe that religions and communitites apart from their's have no right to exsist.



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