What could be the reason for such man developing extreme dislike for humanity? Is it upbringing? Family not having a clue about his dangerous behavior. Not knowing that he owns three (at least) guns. Do you think there are many of such mentality the society only waiting to explode?

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1158270614342&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

There may be lot of reasons for that.
But one thing is sure that parents can not make themselves clean that it's not our fault.

Lot of parents is so busy in making money like both parent work all 7 days and 10 hrs/day. I notice that type of things in Vancouver (mostly Chinese and Indians). After some time parent looses control/communication over kids. Then those parent start saying "There is something wrong in water of North America and kids can not do anything here".

Here in UBC, Indian population is very low as compare to Indian population in city. Mostly Indians kids are here school dropout and always you find them standing in group on street corners and talking for hrs.

1. Stay away from these ghettos
2. Give lot of time to kids means day/everyday not like 10 days vacation then not caring for next 2 months.
3. Talk to them, listen them, and understand them.
4. Talk to their friends casually when they visit at home
5. Play/teach/help in homework

This is good thread and we people can contribute especially who have kids.

I don't think mental instability grows just within ghetto areas. The stimuli and triggers for this kind of behaviour are everywhere and everyone is exposed to it. I play video games but I'm not about to go off on a rampage and shoot people.

My parents both worked full time and from age 5 I was going to nursery school. This did not turn me into a raving lunatic.

When I was younger, I would hang out at the corners of streets with my friends and chit chat away, sometimes for hours...(actually in those days it was pretty safe to do so)...this didn't turn me into a crazy person.

For all the best intentions our parents have in the way they bring us up, we could still turn out to be a killer. So if after giving me the best of all they could...I still get involved with a dark cult and take a fancy to guns and weapons and go out and shoot someone in the head...is this my parents fault or mine? Who pulled the trigger?

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Good thoughts from Pink Panther.

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Maniacs come in all forms/colors/education/religion and backgrounds. We cannot predict the trigger for violence.

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What has now emerged is that Gill's parents knew about their son possessing those weapons. Kimveer showed them his impressive Beretta, his mother Parvinder Sandhu is quoted in an interview with Le Presse (French language daily) as saying.

To her \"there was nothing illegal. Otherwise we wouldn't have tolerated that� He showed us his big gun, the semi-automatic which he used for shooting, but he said it was for sport, for going to the training center.\"

Sandhu got breast cancer a few years back and according to her that depressed their son. Her husband doesn't work anymore. He was reportedly a professor at the University of Toronto.

And amazingly, even though they were watching TV all the time on that fateful day of September 13, and they watched the tragedy at the Dawson college unfolding, they did not know until at 11.30 pm -- more than 10 hours after the shooting spree -- that the killer was their own son Kimveer.

She now confesses that their son hid many things. \"Seeing, (the pictures on Vampirefreaks.com) I asked myself how a good boy could become like this,\" Sandhu is quoted as wondering. \"I never knew he went to this site,\" she added.

Had she or her husband had the slightest hint of what was going on, they would have intervened. \"We would have built a wall in front of him to prevent him from doing that.\"

If her son had survived that day, Sandhu reportedly told the Canadian daily, \"I would be very angry with him. I would insist they give him the maximum penalty. No one deserves what just happened. I feel terrible when I see the other parents suffering.\"

They are now naturally busy in preparing for the funeral of their son, said Sandhu. She said they are trying very hard to mourn -- they have lost a son and become parents of an assassin . \"People forget that; they believe that perhaps we are criminals too.\"

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Life sentence for Indian student for murdering wife
Saturday September 16 2006 16:27 IST
IANS

LONDON: Anurag Johri, a Lucknow-born Indian PhD student at a British university who battered his wife to death because she had become financially independent and had left him, has been sentenced to life imprisonment by the Birmingham Crown Court.

The sensational murder of Deepti Anurag, 29, which has come to be dubbed a \"Google murder\" - because Johri, 34, did an Iinternet search on how to kill with a baseball bat without being detected - occurred in November 2005 in Birmingham.

The jury convicted Johri for murdering his wife during the \"prolonged and ferocious attack\" and told him that he would serve a minimum of 13 years in jail before being considered for deportation to India.

A London-based friend of Johri told IANS that the convicted student hailed from Lucknow and had the best of education at Sherwood College, Nainital, and Kirorimal College, Delhi University.

He also did an MBA from an institute in Ghaziabad and worked for a multinational company before registering for a PhD in business process outsourcing at the University of Central England, Birmingham.

According to the friend, who preferred anonymity, Johri and Deepti had an arranged marriage in 2001. Both hailed from respected families from Lucknow. In the crown court, Deepti was described as \"a young woman with her life to look forward to\".

Justice Gray told Johri: \"Your attack on her using a baseball bat as a weapon was prolonged and ferocious. You struck her on at least four occasions, fracturing her skull in three different places.\"

Johri was sentenced on Friday afternoon after a jury took just over two hours to find Johri guilty of murdering Deepti, whose body was discovered at the university last November. Their relationship deteriorated to the point where they separated in August last year.

A CCTV tape was played to the jury, which, the judge said, \"demonstrated vividly how terrifying an ordeal it was for her\".

He added: \"I have no doubt that the attack was carefully planned and premeditated.\"

The judge said that people who knew Deepti - she had a full-time job as an information assistant at the Learning Resource Centre at the University's Business School - had described her as having a bubbly personality and a sunny disposition.

Gareth Walters, prosecuting solicitor, said that Johri had planned the attack because he could not accept his wife had left him and wanted to become independent of him . He said as well as accessing the Internet Johri had also deliberately disguised the bat, which he bought at a sports shop, before going to the university on Nov 17, where he waited until his wife was alone.

He said two CCTV cameras in the building had captured some of Johri's movements leading up to the killing while a recording device had recorded sounds, including the victim's screams as she was being battered.

After the attack, Johri dragged her body behind a desk before making a suicide attempt later. Johri had admitted killing his wife but denied murdering her, claiming he had never intended to kill her.

James Burbidge, lawyer for Johri, said: \"This is a tragedy for all concerned. A young woman with her life to look forward to was battered to death by the accused who belatedly realised the true depth of his love for her.\"

He added Johri had been suffering from depression at the time and that he was not an evil man.

Giving evidence, Johri told the court that after their separation he felt he was \"living in uncertainty\". He said he was not sleeping or eating properly, was unable to concentrate on his studies, and that \"nothing seemed to matter\".

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Speech by Thomas Friedman of The New York Times....

"When we were young kids growing up in America, we were told to eat our
vegetables at dinner and not leave them. Mothers said, 'think of the
starving children in India and finish the dinner.' And now I tell my
children: 'Finish your maths homework. Think of the children in India
who would make you starve, if you don't.'"