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Posted on: 06-03-07 15:30:30
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Originally posted by hemzer
being delusional that world politics is an entity on its own that only a few people like you can grasp does not erase the fact that it is based on simple principles...... unless you want to complicate it delibrately to accomplish a hidden agenda.
Whats my agenda? I only see that you have fallen hook line and sinker for a radical islamist agenda.
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Originally posted by jake3d
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Originally posted by hemzer
No, the civil unrest was created by us.
Thats propaganda. One cannot create civil war and plan to stay there due to it.
Its costing the US and the neocons(in particular) in terms of political capital. A short end to the presence of troops there is in everybodies favor.
The utter crap you are spouting has no logical basis.
but dont we have a history of overthrowing govts with civil unrest that do not bend over for us ?
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Originally posted by jake3d
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Originally posted by hemzer
being delusional that world politics is an entity on its own that only a few people like you can grasp does not erase the fact that it is based on simple principles...... unless you want to complicate it delibrately to accomplish a hidden agenda.
Whats my agenda? I only see that you have fallen hook line and sinker for a radical islamist agenda.
How does a simple principle of sanity checking, become a radicle Islamist agenda? trying to sneak in some propanganda here huh?
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Originally posted by hemzer
what about "injustice poverty " ??
How does that relate to having an army to defend oneself.
Armies protect out interest and its not just boundaries. Thats the reason there are iranian military advisors and special troops in Iraq. Thats why all countries have covert organisations like RAW,ISI, CIA, MOSSAD etc exist.
The fact that these orgs exist itself belies the statment that its some 'fancy godly principles' that run world politics.
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Originally posted by hemzer
How does a simple principle of sanity checking, become a radicle Islamist agenda? trying to sneak in some propanganda here huh?
Whats my propaganda? That its for oil? I already said that. Along with the fact that all countries are equally to blame for the current mess. That its all about economics and all countries are in this?
Your propaganda is that the west is to blame and that the sunni resistance is killing only US troops etc. While the US tropps are on wanton sprees while the great resistence is merely defending their motherland etc.
Which one sounds like propaganda? Your absurd illogical statements are biased and that is typical propaganda and hidden agenda.
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The fact that these orgs exist itself belies the statment that its some 'fancy godly principles'
that run world politics.
They are supposed to be \"intelligence\" organizations?
To gather intelligence to be used in self defence strictly not to be use as a tool for intervening in other countries business.
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Along with the fact that all countries are equally to blame for the current mess. That its all
about economics and all countries are in this?
Which country has a policy of preemptive warfare?
I dont see any country bombing Iran or Iraq for its resources and calling it \"liberation\".
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Your propaganda is that the west is to blame and that the sunni resistance is killing only US
troops etc. While the US tropps are on wanton sprees while the great resistence is merely
defending their motherland etc.
There was no civil unrest in Iraq under Saddam or after he was out untill you know when...
Once a civil war (ignited by us) the factions cant differentiate civilians and fighters. (just
like us, we target indiscriminatly too and call it collateral damage).
They will terrorize areas of concentrations of other factions. Why are you holding the the fighting factions to a higher
standard of warfare then us?
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While the US tropps are on wanton sprees while the great resistence is merely defending their
motherland etc.
yes this greedy inhuman venture isnt a wanton spree of carnage by us, its for the oil right dint you agree.... \"survival of the fittest\" etc etc!?
Yes the resistance are where they belong \"At home\" in Iraq hating us and wanting us out of there
except for the paid puppets in the green zone cutting backdoor deals with us.
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According to your reasoning they cannot get to the US due to the greenzone. So the alternative is
to kill civilians? The same civilians the 'resistance' would be fighting for. You see any
convoluted logic here?
logic yes.. your reasoning Bad...
The civilians are targetted from opposite factions.... Shia targetting Sunni populations and vice versa.
Like I said if we wernt the targets of hate we wouldnt need a green zone and the oil deals would have been much easier to accomplish.
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Why exactly are the brave resistance killing civilians?
Like I said, They will terrorize areas of concentrations of other factions. Why are you holding the the fighting factions to a higher standard of warfare then us?
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Thats propaganda. One cannot create civil war and plan to stay there due to it.
If the civil war was not ignited by us how can we get them off our backs.
If the iraqis are not fighting eachother that would give them hell a lot of time on their hands to target us.
The goal is to divde Iraq they are just too tuff a nut to crack as one.
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Its costing the US and the neocons(in particular) in terms of political capital. A short end to
the presence of troops there is in everybodies favor.
The utter crap you are spouting has no logical basis.
What cost the neocons is their deception towards the american people of their illeagal ventures in Iraq.
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who is masacarring and pillaging anyway. Right now it looks like the 'resistance' as you call them
are doing the masacarring.
Yes, with our incitement. Isnt that the objective here.
You know how it was done?
Initially we tried to snuff the sunni resistance by ourselves, while the Shia lay low because we were doing them a favour but we failed.
Then we covertly bombed the Shia mosque to get them involved in it.... but we dint calculate the fact on the Shia gaining more power in Iraq would mean Iran's Amhedjababy was all god of major oil resources now.
Heck thats not nice so we fund the Sunni groups now to neutralize the Shia influence.
... all this and yes .. of course we are not resonsible for the Shia/Sunni civil war in Iraq.
I am not sure what up next but looks like finally some sense has prevailed and we are going to talk to Syria and Iran in a meet up.
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About the proxy part. I dont think you jave enough knowledge/ability to understand since we have
already been thru it. Lets leave it at that.
My stupidity is no excuse to leave this hanging....I am sure ther are many other more intelligent
people than me wandering around here so feel free....
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Originally posted by hemzer
They are supposed to be "intelligence" organizations?
To gather intelligence to be used in self defence strictly not to be use as a tool for intervening in other countries business.
What makes you think that? You are more than naive if you think any of these agencies operate by the book. Readup to see how each more than interfere in other countries. BTW: they are often involved in industrial/economic espionage against friendly countries too.
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Which country has a policy of preemptive warfare?
Only the US can afford it. However, its not a doctrine many others have discounted, including India.
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There was no civil unrest in Iraq under Saddam or after he was out untill you know when...
Once a civil war (ignited by us) the factions cant differentiate civilians and fighters. (just
like us, we target indiscriminatly too and call it collateral damage).
They will terrorize areas of concentrations of other factions. Why are you holding the the fighting factions to a higher
standard of warfare then us?
Now if thats not propaganda what is? Anyway... atleast you agree that they are hating each others civilians at this point.
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Yes the resistance are where they belong "At home" in Iraq hating us and wanting us out of there
except for the paid puppets in the green zone cutting backdoor deals with us.
More propaganda.
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The civilians are targetted from opposite factions.... Shia targetting Sunni populations and vice versa.
Like I said if we wernt the targets of hate we wouldnt need a green zone and the oil deals would have been much easier to accomplish.
Sorry still does not make sense. If they were hating us they would be sensible enough not to kill Shia and Sunni Iraqi Civilians.
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Like I said, They will terrorize areas of concentrations of other factions. Why are you holding the the fighting factions to a higher standard of warfare then us?
The US are not indiscriminate else they would have been more effective. Nothing you are saying holds up to the evidence coming out of Iraq. Thats why I call your stuff propaganda.
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If the civil war was not ignited by us how can we get them off our backs.
If the iraqis are not fighting eachother that would give them hell a lot of time on their hands to target us.
The goal is to divde Iraq they are just too tuff a nut to crack as one.
It makes more sense for them to leave without a civil war so thay can have the oil.?The civil war gets in the way of oil...we have been thru this before. Your flights of fancy are still not making sense.
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What cost the neocons is their deception towards the american people of their illeagal ventures in Iraq.
Whatewver you call it...a civil war gets inthe way of their objectives. I think you know you are not making sense here and are rambling away regardless.
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Yes, with our incitement. Isnt that the objective here.
You know how it was done?
Initially we tried to snuff the sunni resistance by ourselves, while the Shia lay low because we were doing them a favour but we failed.
Then we covertly bombed the Shia mosque to get them involved in it.... but we dint calculate the fact on the Shia gaining more power in Iraq would mean Iran's Amhedjababy was all god of major oil resources now.
Heck thats not nice so we fund the Sunni groups now to neutralize the Shia influence.
... all this and yes .. of course we are not resonsible for the Shia/Sunni civil war in Iraq.
Not making sense...see above. If at one minute we are funding one side and then the other...atleast one of them must be loving us at any given time for all the funding
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I am not sure what up next but looks like finally some sense has prevailed and we are going to talk to Syria and Iran in a meet up.
OH...but why? Ofcourse its due to the fact that they are involved in the mess too. Looks like I've been right about everybody playing for their own interests at the cost of the iraqis. Not the black and white scenario youve been painting is it?
. You are undermining your own propaganda by bringing Iran and Syria in and calling it a sensible move.Quote:
My stupidity is no excuse to leave this hanging....I am sure ther are many other more intelligent
people than me wandering around here so feel free....
Like I said they can see what I've already written...so those ones do not need me to repeat myself. That leaves your efforts at radical islamist propaganda and your self admitted intellectual deficiencies.
BTW: I'm still waiting for you to tell me what my propaganda is.
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