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Posted on: 04-09-07 21:30:24
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Posted on: 04-09-07 21:30:24
Hi Ottawa Nerd,
Did you ever see 'Houseboat' and 'It happened one night'?
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Posted on: 04-09-07 21:49:06
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Posted on: 04-09-07 21:49:06
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Originally posted by investpro
Hi BL,
Perhaps you would be kind enough for the edification and enlightment of myself, and I am sure for several others on this forum, let us in on what this something else they're looking at?
In this case, I meant basic communication skills (read "English" ). I don't know too many companies that would hire someone with the English skills of the OP. I know mine would not!
OK.
However, I have since 1980s partaken, in some way or other in the US and Canada, in hiring people with dubious English skills, both spoken and written, notably for processing purposes. The last person I hired was at $16 per hour three years ago. Her English skills weren't so hot ( whether she was or not- is in the eyes or ____ of the beholder)
Besides that, many people today are still hired despite their poor English skills. I interact daily with people in the mutual fund and insurance industry whose written English skills leave a lot to be desired, including supervisors.
Where colour is concerned, it is definitely an issue. I remember in the last company I was working at in Canada, it boiled down to promoting an Indian lady whose English was excellent and had a strong working ethic and an Eastern European lady whose English sucked, and still sucks, but to her credit had a strong work ethic. Whether you want to believe it or not, the Eastern European lady won out because of her skin colour.
I am only citing here the last experiences I had, but I can go back all the way to 1982 and from then on cite tons of examples where people with questionable English skills were hired and where people of a lighter skin colour were prefered over that of a dark-skinned person, South Asian or otherwise.
And the Canadian experience bit- you can bet that's very heavy here.
My experience once again, but I am sure , rammed up against the wall, it will reflect the experience of the majority of new immigrants.
There are those who despite all this, excel.
Hats off to them!
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Posted on: 04-09-07 21:50:46
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Posted on: 04-09-07 21:50:46
My apologies for hijacking the thread
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Posted on: 04-09-07 22:02:59
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Posted on: 04-09-07 22:02:59
Hi TK,
Thanks for all the points.
Liked the one about the mush 
Practically everyone I have interviewed for a job always had unpolished shoes.
I will have to say some came to the interview smelling of Indian spices and others of Chinese food and some of Italian origin (no BS) stinking of garlic.
Interesting thing is that the other person with me always objected to the Indian spices and Chinese food smell but didn't complain about the garlic.
Must've been used to that over the years.
Not one of the people we hired as processors during RRSP season had any soft skills- all were South Asian, East European, Filipinos, Chinese etc- the concept was alien to them.
As several in that company commented-'heck half of TO can't speak English anyway, so why the emphasis on proper English? '
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Originally posted by investpro
OK.
However, I have since 1980s partaken, in some way or other in the US and Canada, in hiring people with dubious English skills, both spoken and written, notably for processing purposes. The last person I hired was at $16 per hour three years ago. Her English skills weren't so hot ( whether she was or not- is in the eyes or ____ of the beholder)
Besides that, many people today are still hired despite their poor English skills. I interact daily with people in the mutual fund and insurance industry whose written English skills leave a lot to be desired, including supervisors.
Where colour is concerned, it is definitely an issue. I remember in the last company I was working at in Canada, it boiled down to promoting an Indian lady whose English was excellent and had a strong working ethic and an Eastern European lady whose English sucked, and still sucks, but to her credit had a strong work ethic. Whether you want to believe it or not, the Eastern European lady won out because of her skin colour.
I am only citing here the last experiences I had, but I can go back all the way to 1982 and from then on cite tons of examples where people with questionable English skills were hired and where people of a lighter skin colour were prefered over that of a dark-skinned person, South Asian or otherwise.
And the Canadian experience bit- you can bet that's very heavy here.
My experience once again, but I am sure , rammed up against the wall, it will reflect the experience of the majority of new immigrants.
There are those who despite all this, excel.
Hats off to them!
Let me reassure you, I'm not hung up on English. I've partaken in a lot of hiring lately and I know its more than just that. At the same time, if the above is justification for not trying to work on your English or communication skills, I don't buy it.
Is skin color a factor at times? No question; we don't live in a perfect world. Are employers unfair at times? Yes. Are immigrants passed up sometimes for jobs just because they lack "Canadian experience"? I'm sure they are.
Now, as a jobseeker, what would you rather do?
1) Take up a labor job. Use the above to crib about how the market treats immigrant professionals unfairly.
2) Work on making sure that your portfolio is as complete as possible and get every edge you can.
I'd do the latter but we all make choices. Fact remains that even though some people get jobs with poor English, someone's odds of landing a job in a professional environment are MUCH higher if they speak and write good English (or French as required). While you may have hired people lacking in English in the past, I work in an environment where this is not an option.
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Originally posted by investpro
As several in that company commented-'heck half of TO can't speak English anyway, so why the emphasis on proper English? '
Yeah, super philosophy!
Nothing better to help your job search. As some of the previous aliases would say "Keep on trucking!!" 
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Posted on: 04-09-07 23:12:56
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Posted on: 04-09-07 23:12:56
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
"Keep on trucking!!"
Yeah, , you could probably make a 6 figure income doing that.
