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How can I spend for tomorrow's spending when I cannot keep up with pay
By: DP_gta

How can I spend for tomorrow's spending when I cannot keep up with paying for yesterday's? Part 1

There is hope yet.

This article is for someone like me. I have always been good with other people's money but not mine. I have always played the safe card with others money but with my money I have blown the lights out experimenting. Thats why I am like He is my health insurance,that is, till I can make enough earth money to afford a health insurance here.

Yesterday I found out, courtesy of my wife, that a certain so-and-so also similarly employed like me, seems to have a bigger RRSP and RESP saving then us. (I have always marvelled at how wives manage to find out all this "inside' dope on other people). One way to meet all my expenses is to earn more, duh. Another way is to get a handle on our spending, that is to improve my spending (she does not spend). That does not mean spend less, spend in line with 'what is' and not 'what will be'. I guess its both, earning and spending.
That's why my friends who have similar income and expense seem to stashing away a little something for those "rainy days".

My common lament is "Yes I know RRSP & RESP are good, but we are already upto our necks with today's expense, how can we spend for tomorrow savings with today's earning when we cannot even meet today's expenses which anyway is mostly yesterday's expenses?" Bad debts, credit card bills, line of credits. For them (which includes me) I have one word "Plan". I am surprised and annoyed to learn how much I could have saved had I planned my expense better. You know like better cash flow, my cash flow so far has been like cash Niagara.

It might surprise some to know that you do not need to save from your expense cash to get your gravy train rolling. All you want is cash flow financial planning. I am talking abt tax saving money.Like some people think RRSP loan is a bad idea, it is a sophisticated tool, it has to be implemented in a certain fashion in order for it to give good results. Like some people have so much money idling away in GIC's and no one has told them better.

First you have to find out your equity ratio. Your equity ratio for your personal assets is a measure of the extent to which you have borrowed to finance these purchases. Suppose Hrehan and Shannis, own a home which can sell in the market for $180,000, and a mortgage of $ 60,000 + $10,000 worth of other debts. Hrehan and Shannis's personal asset equity ratio is 61.11% calculated as ((personal assets - outstanding loans) ÷ personal assets) or (($180,000 - $70,000) ÷ $180,000). That means they are positive financial territory. As long as they are above 40% they are just abt OK, above 60% they are good, above 80% they should begin sophisticated investment earning/ tax saving strategies. For those below 50% equity ratio, pay off your old debts that is the best investment advise I can give you. If you score more than 50% I might be able to assist you move forward, make sense of it all.
Second you have to make a simple cash flow statement.
If you have problems handling credit or controlling your spending habits, or if you have complex or irregular cash flow patterns, a comprehensive approach step by step is as follows:

1.Direct all of your income into a collection account. Ideally, this should be an interest bearing account, such as a money market mutual fund. These funds are liquid and can be encashed instantly.

2.Transfer a fixed amount of money from the collection account to an investment account to fund your objectives. This transfer should be done monthly. Like PAC, pre authorised payment through a void cheque.

3.Transfer a fixed amount from the collection account to your chequing account each month for expenses

4.You can use any amount remaining in your collection account as your emergency fund. You should have enough money in your emergency fund to fund 6 months of living expenses,

5. Carry over any balance in this account semi-annually and transfer any excess from the emergency account into your investment account.

6. Repeat, steps 1 to 5, the simple saving matrix

Now remember this plan works well for those with regular incomes, mostly. In part 2 I will discuss ways to implement a financial plan when income is erratic but spending is fixed, when the budget is in red constantly. That is a more complex plan. Hence I will discreetly send that plan schematics to only those who request for it.

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amit kalia   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 29-11-08 20:37:48

Article is located here: http://canadiandesi.com/article.php?SID=5&AID=371

A stumbled upon this interesting article about financial planning.

After reading this article I calculated my equity asset ratio. I request the author to send me the part 2 of this article.

It may make sense to invest only after meeting the minimum EA ratio suggested in this article.

Any comments from finance folks?

Regards,


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100 City Centre Dr, Unit 1-702
Mississauga, ON L5B 2C9
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ftfl   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-12-08 17:04:41



A Individual starting out might not have much assets and also less of liabilities. Hence would be in an advantageous position to avail the assistance from this individual. (Mathematically) Would a person in a business be able to evaluate with this tool and avail his help, if he can obtain the total net worth of his business assets? May be the second half of his article will provide me with a little more insight into his thoughts behind his workings.

With the current economic conditions and the slump in retail trade, I will think twice before I get into any Mutual Funds or the stock markets. Because the ratio will be up and down every other day.

It is a very nice concept if some has used their services and can post his report to us, if he did find it useful. I am on the side lines currently and may be for a little longer period. It is too volatile. But good for scalpers.

Thanks for sharing it with us. Please keep us posted.

Freddie.



amit kalia   
Member since: Nov 03
Posts: 434
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-12-08 18:54:47

As per the article:


Quote:


First you have to find out your equity ratio. Your equity ratio for your personal assets is a measure of the extent to which you have borrowed to finance these purchases.

Suppose Hrehan and Shannis, own a home which can sell in the market for $180,000, and a mortgage of $ 60,000 + $10,000 worth of other debts. Hrehan and Shannis's personal asset equity ratio is 61.11% calculated as ((personal assets - outstanding loans) ÷ personal assets) or (($180,000 - $70,000) ÷ $180,000).

That means they are positive financial territory. As long as they are above 40% they are just abt OK, above 60% they are good, above 80% they should begin sophisticated investment earning/ tax saving strategies.

For those below 50% equity ratio, pay off your old debts that is the best investment advise I can give you. If you score more than 50% I might be able to assist you move forward, make sense of it all.




Freddie,

I was not talking about investing at all.

As per the article if one's equity asset ratio is less than 50% then that person should not invest but try to reduce his/her debt.

Will you agree with the above statement?

Regards,


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Amit Kalia, Broker, REALTOR®
RE/MAX Real Estate Centre., Brokerage
independently owned & operated
100 City Centre Dr, Unit 1-702
Mississauga, ON L5B 2C9
Phone No.: 905-339-5111
Website: https://www.realestate-ontario.com/
Condo Blog: https://condopundit.com/blog/


investpro   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-12-08 19:15:51

Interesting.
I think one should save from the outset so one has the law of compounding on one's side- but this is off the cuff.
Numbers need to be crunched. But the author hasn't given any illustration either by graph or table..so for me just discount.



pratickm   
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Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-12-08 19:20:29

Quote:
Originally posted by amit kalia
As per the article if one's equity asset ratio is less than 50% then that person should not invest but try to reduce his/her debt.

I would agree with that.
This figure implies that only 50% of a person's assets are "owned", rest everything else is leveraged.
The lower the figure, the less is "owned" and more is financed.
In such a case, reducing debt will offer the best savings.
Investing further will simply increase the % of the leverage.


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amit kalia   
Member since: Nov 03
Posts: 434
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-12-08 19:36:16

Quote:
Originally posted by pratickm

Quote:
Originally posted by amit kalia
As per the article if one's equity asset ratio is less than 50% then that person should not invest but try to reduce his/her debt.

I would agree with that.
This figure implies that only 50% of a person's assets are "owned", rest everything else is leveraged.
The lower the figure, the less is "owned" and more is financed.
In such a case, reducing debt will offer the best savings.
Investing further will simply increase the % of the leverage.



Well said. Look at the way the western world has unfolded. Definitely, over leveraging should be blamed in addition to the other factors.

Just the other day I was saw this hindi movie called EMI. One can see a similar leverage bubble with the middle class consumers in India too.


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Amit Kalia, Broker, REALTOR®
RE/MAX Real Estate Centre., Brokerage
independently owned & operated
100 City Centre Dr, Unit 1-702
Mississauga, ON L5B 2C9
Phone No.: 905-339-5111
Website: https://www.realestate-ontario.com/
Condo Blog: https://condopundit.com/blog/


ftfl   
Member since: Jul 06
Posts: 2335
Location:

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 01-12-08 23:53:38

Quote:
Originally posted by amit kalia

As per the article:


Quote:


First you have to find out your equity ratio. Your equity ratio for your personal assets is a measure of the extent to which you have borrowed to finance these purchases.

Suppose Hrehan and Shannis, own a home which can sell in the market for $180,000, and a mortgage of $ 60,000 + $10,000 worth of other debts. Hrehan and Shannis's personal asset equity ratio is 61.11% calculated as ((personal assets - outstanding loans) ÷ personal assets) or (($180,000 - $70,000) ÷ $180,000).

That means they are positive financial territory. As long as they are above 40% they are just abt OK, above 60% they are good, above 80% they should begin sophisticated investment earning/ tax saving strategies.

For those below 50% equity ratio, pay off your old debts that is the best investment advise I can give you. If you score more than 50% I might be able to assist you move forward, make sense of it all.




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Why those percentages?

A person starting out fresh in life with a small amount will have better percentages. That is what my mathematical mind says. So, according to the author he would be into sophisticated investments from the word GO. Where as a person who has 180,000 under his belt is penalized by his math. Because he has to first pay down his loans first and then move up gradually to the next level and then the next.

That is why I said that I will wait till you get to read the second half of his concept and pass it on to us to make a better study with it and an understanding of the principles he bases his study upon.

I can see it is a good set of basic principles to follow and to build upon. But what kind of advantage does his system provide to an individual who has a sum of 180,000 under his belt. Looks like he is punishing him for the home ownership. The same person could be living and saving that sum and have more cash at his disposal and get heck of a lot of advantage with 100% EA ratio, which he has anyway, from the beginning.

I want to study it deeply after reading the second half. I will also plug in a request, later, and see if I get a response too.

I got into the investment part, may be jumping one step further. May be you were also watching the markets today. What a thrashing the TSX and DOW got, and in the last 45 minutes. It is unbelievable. My sentiments were "I had it" upto my eyeballs. Hence I said that I need a break from this trading.

Wait to hear from the author for my next set of response.

Thanks.

Freddie.





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