What RESP to go for?


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shaileshjkumar   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 07-12-08 20:00:08

I have few questions?
1. If the child was born on Nov mid of a year, then what is the max eligibility of grant for the same year ending Dec 31st?
2. How good is IA Diploma, having a 15% Bonus on the total principal?
3. What RESP option should I opt for which makes my money secure and also gives me a suitable return?
4. What RESP option is available which does not create issues at the time of getting back for the son's education?

I would also like to know more about the "IA Diploma". Are there any strings attached to it and also is it reliable? Some good family friends advice me to be careful with the trust and the insurance companies offering the RESP and also not to go in for the group plan. After all the suggestions and advices from many good friends and financial advisors, I could figure out that the Family Plan offered by the banks are the one I should opt for and in that the investment depends that I want to go aggressive, moderate or calm-going (safe and secure).

I want to know what are the views for getting the RESP from a bank in a Family Plan with investments in mutual funds having a moderate approach and/or going in for money market GIC having 100% security for one’s own hard earned money.

I would like to get some inputs as I am in a decisive stage for going in for RESP as my son is 1 month old.



investpro   
Member since: Nov 06
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 08-12-08 08:14:11

Hi Shailesh,
pease read reply on another thread as well.

If your child is born in Nov of this year, what you can get from the govt is as foll:

The Amount of the CESG
On the first $500 you save in your child’s RESP, the Canada Education Savings Grant will give you:

up to $200, if your net family income is $37,885 or less;
up to $150, if your net family income is between $37,885 and $75,769, or;
up to $100, if your net family income is more than $75,769.
The family net income amounts are updated each year based on the rate of inflation. Income amounts shown are for 2008.

Then 20% on any amount above $500


please see link:
http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/en/learning/education_savings/public/cesg.shtml

and use icons on left for delving deep and more info

Also since your child is born this year, the child also has eligibility for Canada Learning Bond of $500 this year. This you get just by opening the account and not even contributing
Again surf through website given above.

Please do not forget the most important part for CESG eligibility- SIN for your child.
If you do not have one as yet please apply as soon as possible. No SIN - no grant but you can still open an ESP account but it will be registered once the SIN is in place.

Once again go thru the link given above



pratickm   
Member since: Feb 04
Posts: 2831
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 08-12-08 11:39:45

Quote:
Originally posted by shaileshjkumar
I would also like to know more about the "IA Diploma". Are there any strings attached to it and also is it reliable? Some good family friends advice me to be careful with the trust and the insurance companies offering the RESP and also not to go in for the group plan. After all the suggestions and advices from many good friends and financial advisors, I could figure out that the Family Plan offered by the banks are the one I should opt for and in that the investment depends that I want to go aggressive, moderate or calm-going (safe and secure).

I want to know what are the views for getting the RESP from a bank in a Family Plan with investments in mutual funds having a moderate approach and/or going in for money market GIC having 100% security for one’s own hard earned money.

A quick fund search for this one brings up atrocious results.
At 3.26% MER, this must be one of the most expensive funds out there, RESP or not.
It is segregated, as you said, which might explain some of the high fees.
The fund returns are pathetic, at best.

The other problem with this fund is that it is a closet index fund.
It is half-and-half TSX weighted and medium term bond weighted.
Charging 3.26% fees for a passive asset allocation investment is highway robbery.

You can easily create a similar asset allocation at less than 1/3rd of the cost.
Open a self-directed RESP account at your bank or one of the discount brokerages.
Divide your funds into three parts - 1/3rd going to 5-year GICs (which you will ladder every year), 1/3rd going to an bond index fund (like the TD Canadian Bond eSeries fund) and the other 1/3rd going to a TSX index fund or ETF (like the XIU).
Your MER will be around 0.5% and you will have full control of your money and can choose how to allocate it.

And yes, stay away from the pooled or group funds.
They are tontine schemes, have too many fees and strings attached and are almost impossible to get out of.

Hope this helps.


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reachash   
Member since: Dec 03
Posts: 397
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 08-12-08 12:56:07

Hi Shailesh,

As mentioned by investpro and patrickm, stay away from group plans and trust companies. Going with one of the banks family plan is the best option. Please note following,

As explained by investpro, there are difft tiers for CESG, however, the max annual contribution that qualifies for CESG is $2500 per beneficiary per calendar year.

So no matter when your child is born, as long as you contribute anytime by Dec/31 of the year in which your child was born, you will get full CESG. It is not pro-rated for that year. Ofcourse, you need to have SIN.

Investment selection within RESP depends largely on your child's age and you should talk with your regular banker abt the same.

I also work with one of the big banks. If you need any help, please feel free to call me. It's no obligation. I would like to give you a very unbiased opinion. As long as you stick to one of the big banks, I am happy for you.

Hope this helps.

:)


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nari   
Member since: Dec 07
Posts: 66
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 08-12-08 16:09:25

I had set up my Account with Global RESP but after following the OP post and sucessive comments. I sense that i have made a mistake by falling in trap of these trust company. Is there any way to move my money from these company to a Bank as we do with our RRSP's. Or i have to stop contributing the money now and leave whatever money i have invested i kept my contribution to minmum about $50 per month. I think i would go by suggestion of Pratickm to open a Self Directed RESP with the current bank i have account with.

Thanks for you valuable suggestions.



pratickm   
Member since: Feb 04
Posts: 2831
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 08-12-08 16:32:34

Quote:
Originally posted by nari
Is there any way to move my money from these company to a Bank as we do with our RRSP's.

How much have you contributed so far?

Read the prospectus and/or any other material that they would have given you when you signed up with them.
That should have the terms and conditions in it.

I doubt that you will be able to transfer your contributions into a self-directed account.
Most of these pooled plans make it very difficult to leave without losing most of the money.
If you have started recently, then it's possible that so far you have been paying the initial "setup" fees and none of your contributions have been allocated towards the RESP yet.

Quote:
Or i have to stop contributing the money now and leave whatever money i have invested i kept my contribution to minmum about $50 per month.
If you have decided to DIY, then why contribute even the $50.

Check the terms and conditions, then calculate what you will lose and then pull the plug.

However, if you have been contributing for many years and your child is nearing university time, then might as well keep contributing.
Pulling out at this time will lose a lot.


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nari   
Member since: Dec 07
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 08-12-08 17:51:04

I calculated from 2006 upto now i have contributed roughly about 2000$. I will check the prospectus tonight for their terms & conditions.
Thanks





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