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Posts: 1351
Location: Brampton, Ont, Canada
Posted on: 28-02-09 10:53:19
Location: Brampton, Ont, Canada
Posted on: 28-02-09 10:53:19
Hi rajcanada
That is the first think i DID - Mistake
i asked them to put me on list if there is layoff, since then everythihg change at my company towards me.
manager/team lead / they used to be friendly and now they just talk about work and that it.. u can feel the difference.
Anyways, i just got the news that because i asked them layoff , they decided not to give me layoff and they want me quite- so they dont have to pay package to me.
also , i think i hurt their feelings by asking layoff
anyways, damaged DONE, but i m still trying to have good relationship so they might change their mind and give me layoff or allteast they dont remove my name if its on list.
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Posts: 1920
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 01-03-09 01:39:52
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 01-03-09 01:39:52
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Originally posted by Blue_Peafowl
HRDC Reason No. 17: Obligation to Accompany a Spouse or Dependent Child to Another Residence.
I TALK TO hrdc OFFICER TODAY AND THEY ARE NOT SURE IF THEY CAN GRANT ME EI BENEFITS. I can only get ei if there is no other alternative but to move.
Actually, we are moving because we have new born baby and my wife has some relatives in Toronto which will be big help for us. MY WIFE WILL BE ON MATERNITY LEAVE
BUT ACCRODING TO HRDC THIS IS PERSONAL CHOICE WE ARE NOT MOVING BECAUSE OF WORK RLEATED ISSUE.
IF I PROVE THEM THAT I WILL GOING TO TORONTO TO FIND JOB AND I HAVE GOOD CHANCES THEY WILL CONSIDER EI BENEFITS:
Reason No. 22: Reasonable Assurance of Another Employment in the Immediate Future
Any idea guys ? is there any steps that I need to take early so I can get EI , WE ARE MOVING WITHOUT JOB IN TORONTO SO EI WILL BE BIG HELP UNTILL I FIND JOB
Hrdc process is complicated they don’t give me YES or NO answer , they want me to apply for EI benefits once file is open they can take decision before that they don’t say yes or no.
If your wife has a year of maternity leave in which she can stay home and take care of your baby, why dont you spend that year attempting to apply for and find a job in Toronto so you can move to a new job??
I agree reason #17 is for employment related reasons only. EI is an insurance against job loss that is outside of your control or due to your spouse having to relocate for a job.
Reason #22 - reasonable assurance to me means a letter from an employer indicating they are willing to hire you if you move. Not "the job market is good in my occupation". In this economy I dont know how convincing that argument would be. YOu may know your occupation better?
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Posts: 1920
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 01-03-09 01:41:27
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 01-03-09 01:41:27
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Originally posted by tamilkuravan
What I would suggest is that you move to Toronto with a job and then hope that you will be laid of in 4 or 5 month so that you will get EI.
"hope you will be laid off"
why is getting EI better than working??
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~ Morning rain
Posts: 5775
Location: God's own country
Posted on: 01-03-09 01:45:38
Location: God's own country
Posted on: 01-03-09 01:45:38
Quote:
Originally posted by Blue_Peafowl
That is the first think i DID - Mistake
i asked them to put me on list if there is layoff, since then everythihg change at my company towards me.
manager/team lead / they used to be friendly and now they just talk about work and that it.. u can feel the difference.
I agree. It is the same case in my previous office, where once you ask for layoff, then they start treating you differently and finally coherce you to quit or find ways to fire you
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Anyways, i just got the news that because i asked them layoff , they decided not to give me layoff and they want me quite- so they dont have to pay package to me.
Well ! may not be the case you mentioned. Sometime, they want to lay off team X and if you are from Team Y and ask for layoff, they will not give you since you were not in the original list of people to be laid off.
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also , i think i hurt their feelings by asking layoff
May be not their feelings but they might have felt that you have made up your mind to be laid off / quit. Since they donot want / have the power to lay you off, they just act indifferently so that you get the que and quit/ resign
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anyways, damaged DONE, but i m still trying to have good relationship so they might change their mind and give me layoff or allteast they dont remove my name if its on list.
Yup. That is the best that you can do and hope and pray that the recession will affect your job and that the compay will be forced to lay you off.
the best position to ask for layoff is when the company forces all of you into the meeting room and tells you that 50% of the number gathered must be laid off and asks for volunteers. And if the volunteers donot add up to 50% of people to be laid off , then they will make their own list ( Eg. GM, Crysler etc...)
All the best.
Peace by TK
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Posts: 1920
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 01-03-09 01:45:58
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 01-03-09 01:45:58
Quote:
Originally posted by Blue_Peafowl
we are moving based on french language barrier - that might consider as job related.
THAT IS WHY I AM ASKING U PEOPLE IF YOU KNOW ANY OTHER WAYS OR TRICK THAT I CAN GET CERTAIN TO GET EI BENEFITS
ALSO, ONCE I GET EI BENIFITS MY PLAN IS TO DO SCHOOL IN TORONTO,, Montreal dosent have enough institute in IT where i can go for couple of month courses.
1) You already had a job in Quebec despite the "barrier" of french. HRSDC will argue that there is insufficient evidence unless say you were laid off and then spent a certain period of time looking for a job without success AND employers indicate this is due to lack of french language skills.
2) Asking for a way or "Trick" to get EI benefits .. means you know that you dont actually deserve or have the right to get them,so you are looking for a way. Is that ethical??
3) You cannot attend school while receiving EI benefits UNLESS you are approved to do so before you start school. There are different criteria for this, including lack of transferable skills.
If you know that you may be in a lay off situation, Why not start trying to improve your skills (take introductory french courses for example)? Find out what employers hire without french requirements or what industries you can enter without french.
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~ Morning rain
Posts: 1920
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 01-03-09 01:47:35
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 01-03-09 01:47:35
Quote:
Originally posted by rajcanada
Blue_Peafowl, if you company is already laying off people, why can you not ask them to give you lay off, apply for EI and then move to Toronto? Is there a restriction on moving within Canada when you are getting EI benefits?
I think as long as a person is actively job searching while collecting EI benefits, they are eligible to receive their benefits. I dont think it would matter where they are in Canada.
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~ Morning rain
Posts: 1920
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 01-03-09 01:51:11
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 01-03-09 01:51:11
Quote:
Originally posted by Blue_Peafowl
i asked them to put me on list if there is layoff, since then everythihg change at my company towards me.
manager/team lead / they used to be friendly and now they just talk about work and that it.. u can feel the difference.
Anyways, i just got the news that because i asked them layoff , they decided not to give me layoff and they want me quite- so they dont have to pay package to me.
also , i think i hurt their feelings by asking layoff
anyways, damaged DONE, but i m still trying to have good relationship so they might change their mind and give me layoff or allteast they dont remove my name if its on list.
I agree, that wasnt the wisest move. You told them that basically you are not a team player and that you *dont* want to be with the company. Your loyalty and commitment to your team/work is no longer there (by your statement/request). Asking for a lay off isnt usually a good idea.
In today's economy and with jobs being as scarce as they are, I think its important not to jepardize a permanent/solid employment situation. If your wife who is on maternity anyway, wants to move to Toronto to find a job while she's on leave, why doesnt she go to find a job? As you said, there are relatives available out there to help her.
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