Posted on: 22-01-10 12:47:00
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Originally posted by hchheda
But there is a vast majority lower middle and middle class who cannot afford and does not indulge in 'everyday' drinking. If these bottles were officially available at every corner store imagine the amount of consumption and the loss in family income of this class.
I think in Gujarat, the concept of lower middle class may soon be phasing out. Secondly, all of my friend are from middle class and they drink regularly. You cannot control people's bad behaviour by imposing laws. What about the income spent after "gutkhas", smoking and gambling? Or even how about income spent after medical expenses, that could be avoided just by cleanliness, clean water and clean air?
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I stayed in Mumbai close to a slum area and have seen first hand the amount of nuisance and family fights every night due to Alcohol.
I agree with you. I have seen during my brief visit to Solapur, the long lines in front of liquor shop in evening.
But we need a sociological and statistical study to find out if such malaise is less in Gujarat compared to other states in the lower strata of the society.
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Based on the article, it is anybody's guess why all the corporates are requesting for the change in the law - it is business as usual for them.
Yes. The prohibition should be lifted only after deciding the pros and cons. But I believe cons outweighs the pros
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Anyways, it is just my opinion and I am aware that I am in the minority. But that does not change my opinion.
Hiren
There can always be a healthy debate - issues where we can agree to disagree.
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Originally posted by meghal
I think in Gujarat, the concept of lower middle class may soon be phasing out. Secondly, all of my friend are from middle class and they drink regularly.
I agree that there is already a class of people you drink regularly - but cannot be generalized.
You cannot control people's bad behaviour by imposing laws. What about the income spent after \"gutkhas\", smoking and gambling? Or even how about income spent after medical expenses, that could be avoided just by cleanliness, clean water and clean air?
I agree to that as well - but adding another 'vice' is not the solution to the above problems. Please understand that the use of 'vice' is relative here since the item is illegal and socially not acceptable in Gujarat.
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There can always be a healthy debate - issues where we can agree to disagree.
That I fully agree..
Hiren
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Originally posted by hchheda
I agree to that as well - but adding another 'vice' is not the solution to the above problems. Please understand that the use of 'vice' is relative here since the item is illegal and socially not acceptable in Gujarat.
People who drink, drink because it is socially not acceptable. They feel superior (above society) by drinking. I have seen this behaviour even in Bombay, where it is legal - but to lesser extent. And because they are always under pressure to 'perform' - they tend to drink more n finish in quick time.
People who drink will drink anyways ... People who drink more n abuse are anyways doing it. Responsible drinkers are there who I think wont change their habit, even when it is legal. By legalising it, you are taking away that extra 'kick' that they get by doing something 'illegal'.
I am not from Gujarat so I dont have that much insight as you guys but this is just my observation.
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Originally posted by hchheda
Anyways, it is just my opinion and I am aware that I am in the minority. But that does not change my opinion.
Hiren
If people like you are/were in minority, ban could be lifted years ago..
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Originally posted by hchheda
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Originally posted by meghal
I think in Gujarat, the concept of lower middle class may soon be phasing out. Secondly, all of my friend are from middle class and they drink regularly.
I agree that there is already a class of people you drink regularly - but cannot be generalized.
You cannot control people's bad behaviour by imposing laws. What about the income spent after \"gutkhas\", smoking and gambling? Or even how about income spent after medical expenses, that could be avoided just by cleanliness, clean water and clean air?
I agree to that as well - but adding another 'vice' is not the solution to the above problems. Please understand that the use of 'vice' is relative here since the item is illegal and socially not acceptable in Gujarat.
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There can always be a healthy debate - issues where we can agree to disagree.
That I fully agree..
Hiren
I absolutely agree with Hiren. I guess those who want to scrap liquor ban in Gujarat may not be from Gujarat otherwise they would know the kind of stgma it still carries inmost middle class families. Admitted that some drink it at their home, but they also do not drink in front of their kids or parents nor do they offer liquor to the guest who are relatives. Liquor ban has kept millions of families sober as fear of law is there. Also Liquorban has helped maintain financial well being of Gujaratis and less abuse of family members which is common for an addict. If economic justification is good enough reason, one should advocate trade in Charas and Brown sugar
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Originally posted by Nightmare
I absolutely agree with Hiren. I guess those who want to scrap liquor ban in Gujarat may not be from Gujarat otherwise they would know the kind of stgma it still carries inmost middle class families. Admitted that some drink it at their home, but they also do not drink in front of their kids or parents nor do they offer liquor to the guest who are relatives. Liquor ban has kept millions of families sober as fear of law is there. Also Liquorban has helped maintain financial well being of Gujaratis and less abuse of family members which is common for an addict. If economic justification is good enough reason, one should advocate trade in Charas and Brown sugar
See there you go!! Another flaming post from you - a typical right-wing mindset.
I am a "shuddh" Gujarati - born and brought up in Gujarat, and I still oppose prohibition.
If prohibition is effective and get rids of all the vices you mentioned above, then Canada must be a terrible place for you to live in.
And what is wrong in consuming alcohol in presence of your parents/kids/relatives? Do you think everybody turns into "Chupke Chupke"'s Keshto once they consume alcohol?
Opium and its derivatives are addictive, alcohol is not.
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Originally posted by meghal
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Originally posted by Nightmare
I absolutely agree with Hiren. I guess those who want to scrap liquor ban in Gujarat may not be from Gujarat otherwise they would know the kind of stgma it still carries inmost middle class families. Admitted that some drink it at their home, but they also do not drink in front of their kids or parents nor do they offer liquor to the guest who are relatives. Liquor ban has kept millions of families sober as fear of law is there. Also Liquorban has helped maintain financial well being of Gujaratis and less abuse of family members which is common for an addict. If economic justification is good enough reason, one should advocate trade in Charas and Brown sugar
See there you go!! Another flaming post from you - a typical right-wing mindset.
I am a "shuddh" Gujarati - born and brought up in Gujarat, and I still oppose prohibition.
If prohibition is effective and get rids of all the vices you mentioned above, then Canada must be a terrible place for you to live in.
And what is wrong in consuming alcohol in presence of your parents/kids/relatives? Do you think everybody turns into "Chupke Chupke"'s Keshto once they consume alcohol?
Opium and its derivatives are addictive, alcohol is not.
Oh Thanks. I did not know alcohol is not addictive. Guess you can help those guys a lot who go to AA.
I do not get how issue of "shuddh" Gujarati” came up or how you concluded that I have a typical right-wing mindset.
It should be obvious to any one that a person born and raised in Gujarat would have better understanding of the issue. Well, you one of those "shuddh" Gujarati” who support lifting the ban while I have a different take on this issue. If the prohibition was perceived to be a wrong policy, it would have been scrapped long time back. The fact that no political party has guts to raise the issue is proof enough that the policy has served well. All that I want to say is that certainly “No alcohol” has been good for Gujarat. Empirical evidence amply speaks for that.
As regards “a typical right-wing mindset” I guess you are right. Though I do not believe I have “a typical right-wing mindset”, many accuse me for that especially when I tell my CD friends that I believe that “Conservative under Harper” are far better than loony Liberals! However, my impression is that a “ typical right-wing mindset” Gujarati is for scrapping the prohibition in Gujarat. May be I am wrong because it is universal conviction of media that a typical leftist is a intellectual stalwart and since you are not a typical right-wing mindset person, by default you must be a towering intellectual giant which I am not.
However, I believe that prohibition has served well for Gujarat and Gujaratis.
