Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 26-02-10 13:17:55
ILOVENA:
Thanks for writing what I was trying to say in fewer words. We should be conscious of consequences of our actions, and when we are wrong, we are wrong. If we want systems to work for us, we have to respect the systems that are in place. Thank you for being a voice of reason..
MR.
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Originally posted by ILOVENA
Before I get lectured about "preaching", let me say that I have had parking tickets. The first reaction we Indians have is "how do I get around this ticket". Sure enough, there are hundreds of desis who will either give advice about this, or say that it is not enough if you pay the ticket............ just fight it.
The fact of the matter is this - and it might sound like a sermon, but that is ok. The system of "fines" is around to make us conscious of our responsibilities . Now if you say that the enforcement officer mislead you into committing a parking infraction, it can be just a matter of interpretation. It is not going to be easy to prove to a judicial officer that an enforcement officer deliberately lied or mislead the OP into committing an offense.
I have had a couple of parking tickets in the last 10 years. I paid them without a fight because I broke the law. I have been very careful since then, and make every attempt to follow the law to the fullest extent. That is me, and I am proud of my integrity and actions.
I wish more people on this forum encouraged the OP to pay the fine and be careful, instead of showing short cuts. Besides, when we assume that we can beat the law, the underlying assumption is that the enforcement officials or the city clerk is wrong and dumb. Wrong assumption !!
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Originally posted by ILOVENA
I wish more people on this forum encouraged the OP to pay the fine and be careful, instead of showing short cuts. Besides, when we assume that we can beat the law, the underlying assumption is that the enforcement officials or the city clerk is wrong and dumb. Wrong assumption !!
Well said ILOVENA.
City clerks cannot cancel parking tickets unless number plate of the car is noted incorrectly on the ticket. You can only dispute and will be given a court date. You might spend half a day or a day on a weekday for that in the court. Most probably judge will not waive off the ticket unless it can be proven otherwise. So contesting a ticket is not a short cut.
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Before I go on to write about my two cases I took to the court and won hands down in Mississauga courts, I want to show you a case which is currently talked about in the legal circle.
Look at this case of our Raman Gill in Mississauga. The law found him not guilty and released him even when he is said to have done a murder in layman terms.
You decide !.
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http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/article/762700--man-acquitted-of-murder-at-second-trial
Man acquitted of murder at second trialPublished On Tue Feb 9 2010
A Mississauga man who was convicted of murder walked out of court a free man late Monday after being found not guilty at his second trial on the same charge.
A jury deliberated for more than 35 hours over five days before acquitting Raman Gill, 28, of second-degree murder in the Aug. 14. 2003 stabbing death of Anastasios (Tom) Garavellos, 25, of Mississauga.
The jurors, who also found Raman not guilty of manslaughter, were never told that another jury had convicted Gill of second-degree murder in 2006.
They also didn't know the University of Toronto graduate had served 18 months of a life prison sentence when the Ontario Appeals Court overturned his conviction and ordered a new trial.
The verdict suggests the seven men and five women believed that Gill feared for his life and was acting in lawful self defence – rather than in anger – when he stabbed Garavellos, a tool and die maker, on a moonlit Mississauga street just before midnight during the great blackout of 2003.
Defence lawyer Margaret Bojanowska told the month long trial in Brampton trial that her client believed he was threatened by a beer bottle being waved by Garavellos, and that Garavellos was the aggressor in the confrontation.
Crown prosecutor Cam Watson countered that Gill intended to kill or cause grievous bodily harm when he fatally stabbed Garavellos in the abdomen.
In the first trial, jurors weren't allowed to consider whether Gill was “provoked” and acted “in the heat of passion” after being taunted by Garavellos, a restriction that was not placed on jurors at his second trial.
Gill, then 21, and his friends were looking at the stars through a telescope by the side of a Mississauga street when a deadly confrontation occurred.
Court heard that Garavellos and a friend, who had been drinking and smoking marijuana, drove by Gill and his friends, swearing and calling the stargazers “geeks.”
When an angry Gill pounded on the back of his Mercedes Benz, Garavellos got out of the car with a beer bottle in his hand. Jurors heard that Gill stabbed him as Garavellos stumbled after tussling with members of the group.
Garavellos died of massive internal bleeding.
Gill never took the stand during his second trial.
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If Raman Gill would have listened to a few people he would still have been in the jail.
He used a lawyer, used the law and he is a free man.
We have to realize that laws are written by humans and hence they can err too.
Law is not black and white or right or wrong. It has its own ifs, buts and can and maybe's written in it.
If OJ Simpson had not listened to his lawyer he would have been in Jail in the murder case.
It is all circumstantial evidence and how it is reported.
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Originally posted by morning_rain
ILOVENA:
Thanks for writing what I was trying to say in fewer words. We should be conscious of consequences of our actions, and when we are wrong, we are wrong. If we want systems to work for us, we have to respect the systems that are in place. Thank you for being a voice of reason..
MR.
Quote:
Originally posted by ILOVENA
Before I get lectured about "preaching", let me say that I have had parking tickets. The first reaction we Indians have is "how do I get around this ticket". Sure enough, there are hundreds of desis who will either give advice about this, or say that it is not enough if you pay the ticket............ just fight it.
The fact of the matter is this - and it might sound like a sermon, but that is ok. The system of "fines" is around to make us conscious of our responsibilities . Now if you say that the enforcement officer mislead you into committing a parking infraction, it can be just a matter of interpretation. It is not going to be easy to prove to a judicial officer that an enforcement officer deliberately lied or mislead the OP into committing an offense.
I have had a couple of parking tickets in the last 10 years. I paid them without a fight because I broke the law. I have been very careful since then, and make every attempt to follow the law to the fullest extent. That is me, and I am proud of my integrity and actions.
I wish more people on this forum encouraged the OP to pay the fine and be careful, instead of showing short cuts. Besides, when we assume that we can beat the law, the underlying assumption is that the enforcement officials or the city clerk is wrong and dumb. Wrong assumption !!
I agreed whatever said above..... I paid parking tickets couple of times without hasitation and learnt a lesson from paying tickets.. now i am more conscious when i am parking my car anywhere......
For OP,
I paid $105 parking tickets on Air show at Toronto, as we did not get parking spot and we parked car on side of the road, officer came and give everyone who parked the car on side of the road. People was arguing with officer i did a mistake as i parked the car on wrong place....... i accepted ticket without arguing and parked the car for full day on same spot and we enjoyed air show until end.
The legal point from the written description of the OP is that when you asked the parking officer whether it was legal to park there he just pointed his hand. He could just stretched his hand due to pain, where did he say at that time that there was a board. He could have informed in plain english or french that it was not allowed to park on that spot at that time.
Why did this guy did not respond to you verbally?. Or you a lesser person who cannot be communicated verbally.
Or does the officer assume that you cannot understand what he would communicate in the first place.
I strongly suggest the OP go down to the City Hall and talk to your Chief Parking Enforcement Officer.
1.The problem you had, your side/understanding of the story and also why the officer did not communicate to you verbally in the first place while he CAN talk to you when he writes a ticket.
2.The second issue is that whether the sign board is Visible or NOT. You could ask the neighbours at the particular location how many tickets have been issued recently based on a not so visible sign. It is your Citizens right to set the City Hall to fix the visibility problem of the sign and it my be a scam to collect revenue for the city by not making the sign visible enough.
This way you could help the other residents of the city. If you feel in your heart that you have been offended or not given a fair treatment, you should fight.
3.In Mississauga all the signs are big and readable and the minute you enter Brampton you'll find all the signs small and many a times without GPS you'll make errors. Many a cases with people living in Mississauga who randomly drive down to Brampton get driving tickets. How do you know the signs when they are not standardized or change suddently.
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Sunny Leone a true Canadian DESI now back in India !.
Another classic case in USA:
There is this county which is on the north of Florida right on the Georgia state line and it is within the state of Georgia.
If the speed limit in Florida is 60 miles an hour on the highway the speed limit will drop suddenly to 40 miles an hour when you drive through this city.
The main revenue for this county/city is by the speeding tickets. Every time the cars get pulled up and fined for speeding, while the new drivers will plead innocence to which the cop will explain the presence of boards with speed limits right at the entry point of the city.
If you drive back and check the spot you will not be able to spot the signs until somebody points them to you.
Sometimes the county deliberately put signs in odd places to generate revenue.
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Sunny Leone a true Canadian DESI now back in India !.
I had a google earth view of the National Bank as described in your original post.
http://maps.google.com/maps?layer=c&cbll=45.481653,-73.630930&panoid=A1scqlDZTkhMRwBYhv3hTA&cbp=12,318.793213,,1,-0.304164&ved=0CBkQ2wU&sa=X&ei=7UuIS6XuBoeYzASekZGZBQ
Is it 5465, Chemin-Queenmary, Montreal, Canada ?.
If so is there a parking ticket payment box on the left and a parking spot right in front of the bank and it is covered with a white bag?.
There is a 50Km speed limit board on the left side of the bank. This is in front of the building 5475, and the no parking sign says something like 6.30 to 7.30 my clarity on this picture is limited.
There are 3 paid parking spots in front of this complex and an empty spot for the cafetaria seating.
If this is the address then you have a fair shot at this case based on where you were parked and also what time of the day it said as I do not see a sign saying do not park at another time.
Please look through my link and confirm & also please give me more details so that I can be of some help.
By the way how is the massage place next door ?.
Just Kidding !.
Regards,
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