For many Indians, the land of opportunity is the land they’re going back to


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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-05-12 10:36:35

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After 11 years in Canada, Praveen Rao had it pretty good. He owned a house in Mississauga, a snazzy car and a motorbike that he took on weekend road trips. He liked his job as an investment manager for a big bank and he liked the work-hard (but not too hard), play-hard culture that prevailed in his wide circle of friends. It was just the life his parents had envisioned when they sent him from India to university in Canada, with the hope he would get a job offer and be able to immigrate afterward.

You could totally say I was living the dream,” Mr. Rao says with a rueful laugh.

Then late last year, he went rather dramatically off the script for the immigrant dream: He sold the bike, sold the car, rented out the house and moved back to India.

Canada has traditionally competed for India’s skilled migrants with Australia, Britain and the United States. But now there’s a new country in the mix, a destination with increasing appeal for young, educated and ambitious Indians: India.

“People are definitely coming back,” says Sujata Sudarshan, CEO of the Overseas Indian Facilitation Centre, which tries to pave the way home. “Younger people are coming for the opportunities, and older ones for security.” About 100,000 are said to have come back last year, and the number is growing – as is a similar reversal that is beginning to take hold among Chinese expatriates.

That said, there is no risk of the flow of Indians to Canada drying up any time soon: 30,252 emigrated in 2010, making India the number two source country, and in the estimation of Sidney Frank, director for Citizenship and Immigration Canada in South Asia, they’re “good” immigrants. “They’re educated, with English language skills – we do well here.”

Canada does no active recruiting or advertising, Mr. Frank says, because there are more applicants than his department – Canada’s largest visa office anywhere – can hope to process. They are drawn to Canada for security; for clean, quiet cities; for jobs and for easy access to good education for their children, compared with India’s ferocious competition for college and even elementary school seats.

But they don’t all stay. Ms. Sudarshan says that educated émigrés have a growing sense that India can offer them “the best of both worlds” – there is ever-growing access to high-quality housing, education and medical facilities here, in increasingly cosmopolitan cities with booming economies, where people can be close to friends, family and their cultural roots.

Last year, her organization made its pitch at a busy fair for the diaspora in Toronto – telling Indo-Canadians that today there are possibilities back home that they couldn’t have imagined when they left.

Mr. Rao came back because he wanted to start his own business, and take advantage of the dynamism at the top end of the Indian economy that allows young people with good ideas and some resources to take risks – and reap bigger rewards – that would be much harder in Canada.

That sense of opportunity is luring many young and skilled people to make the U-turn. “I wouldn’t have thought about doing this even seven or eight years ago,” says Shailesh Lakhani. Born in Bhopal, he moved as a toddler to Toronto, with parents who were seeking a better life for their children. But when he found it, that life was back in Mumbai, where he works in venture capital in the Indian branch of a large United States firm.

“I did look for work in Toronto when I graduated from business school and there were interesting jobs – but you didn’t see the wind at your back that a big GDP growth gives you,” Mr. Lakhani says.

“Canada and India are roughly about the same size economies today, but in 10 years things will be pretty different. And being in India now is a once-in-a-lifetime chance to see a society really change.”

His parents, he adds, think he’s crazy.

There are push factors from Canada, too. Some emigrants, asked why they’d returned, describe repeated experiences with racism and a dominant culture they found chilly and hard to penetrate – they never felt quite welcome.

For others, the process of getting to Canada proved so difficult they found it impossible to stay.

Shreya Pandya, 39, and her husband Harish, 42, applied to go to Canada while in their late 20s, at the start of their careers. But it took more than five years for their visas to come through. By then, she says, they had senior jobs in Mumbai.

Nevertheless, they packed up and went to Toronto. They found the city welcoming, and she soon found a job in her field, designing educational materials. But Mr. Pandya, a corporate lawyer, waited interminably for the Ontario government to validate his legal qualifications – and, Ms. Pandya says, grew discouraged and depressed. “He couldn’t even get work at Staples, because they said he was overqualified.” Meanwhile their savings were fast depleting; life in Toronto cost a third more than they thought it would.

Two years ago, they packed up again and came home, quickly resuming their old jobs. Months later, the Ontario government sent a note to let Mr. Pandya know he could finally be a lawyer in Canada.

Mr. Rao wanted to be active in charity and politics, and felt India needed him much more for both than Canada ever would.

For Neeta Sharma, it was the aging parents and family she’d left behind. Today she is on the management faculty at a university in the rapidly expanding metropolis of Pune, southeast of Mumbai, but for years taught French to civil servants at Algonquin College in Ottawa. She says Canadian society could be lonely but the community of Indian immigrants was so large that it soothed the homesickness and she adapted well.

Nevertheless, she’s back in India, drawn by aging parents and the family she missed. She loved her 13 years in Canada, but not enough to stay – and, she says, many of the Indians she knew there have come back as well, a decision that surprises them because Canadian citizenship was for so long their greatest goal.

The Facilitation Centre is a partnership of the private sector and the Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs, but ministry officials said there is no official government policy of “brain gain,” as there is in China, which makes a concerted effort to lure expats – the Facilitation Centre is sponsored by the private sector.

Emigration peaked in 2008, when 849,000 people left India. That year the global economy crashed – but India’s kept expanding quickly, and the annual exodus dropped to 640,000 last year.

Neeraj Saroj went to Canada in 2005. He left a senior job in marketing for a major car company in Delhi, and found himself working nights at Canadian Tire in Toronto. Eventually he landed a position selling farm equipment, his first love, in Regina. (“It was pretty funny being the brown guy at the farm show,” he says.)

He has since requalified as an engineer in Canada, and he and his wife have both built new careers they enjoy; they’ve adapted to the weather and there is much they love about Canada. But now and again, Mr. Saroj, 44, has pangs. “Sometimes I regret it, when I look at my other friends in India. My university roommate is now the head of Honda cars in India and another colleague is the head of Toyota. This is really a boom time.”

These days Mr. Rao is learning the ropes of Indian business in a large real-estate firm before striking out on his own, and is giving himself two years to attain the same standard of living in Delhi that he had in Toronto. He’s earning as much here, but the hours are longer, he says, and lower-level employees aren’t treated with as much respect.

“People say India is booming, that this is a land of opportunity today – but what do you have to give up for that? Here it’s more competitive; work-life balance does not exist. In Toronto, my friends are taking Japanese drum lessons or salsa …”

At this point, he stops, and reminds himself that he’s in the capital of the new India. “Actually, I guess you can do most of that in Delhi now.”

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TK should write his view on G&M



Timon   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 297
Location: Greater Toronto Area

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-05-12 11:22:04

I have been through this experience very recently and have a few thoughts.
-As I metioned in my previous post, the money is definitely good in India if you are in the right place. Your saving potential could double or even triple, if you go for the right opportunity.
-I think going to be right company and job are important. I had to go through a crappy company experience, which is primarily one of the reasons why I came back. But, if you are in the right company, India is the way to go.
-The learning opportunities are tremendous in India.
-On the flip side, there are issues like pollution, messy roads, huge amount of corruption etc that one had to deal with. Again depending on the job, if you are IT, you don’t deal with it. Kids are going to be a challenge once they are 10+ since there is a huge difference between the education system between Canada and India.

At the end of the day, Do I regret in my decision to move back..probably not since I moved back for the right reasons.


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web2000   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-05-12 13:30:36

Quote:
Originally posted by Timon


huge amount of corruption




How many times you end up being part of the corruption to get the job done in your one year stay in India and if you can share how much you lost due to corruption.
The reason I am asking is to know if it is a significant financial burden to pay the bride or just you did not like it. Most people complain about the corruption even if they are not affected.



Timon   
Member since: Mar 04
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-05-12 13:39:43

I have been part of corruption during my stay in India for my job. It may not be quite evident for an ordinary citizen on a day to day basis. I saw corruption at various level of government officials that I have to deal with, like excise, customs, PF, all sorts of tax authorities, you name it. One of the other issues I happen to notice is the internal corruption in companies like individuals getting "cuts" while ordering materials, individuals forming their own companies to supply materials, individuals creating work etc

Again, may be I am not thinking like an Indian here !!!!.. unfortunately.

T


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tamilkuravan   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-05-12 14:17:05

Bribe is not at all a problem. There is a usual % and it is calculated in the overheads.
It is not a burden at all.
Even then, I would suggest that none of the Canadians ever think of ever working in India.Please stay in Canada.
Peace


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Timon   
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Location: Greater Toronto Area

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-05-12 15:11:45

Quote:
Originally posted by ashedfc

I respect your thinking..
But in the end, You gotta pay either way...
In Canada they take it directly from you as a fee/tax/traffic ticket/insurance robbery/etc.etc.
In India, you pay through corruption (atleast the work gets done).
Now as you mentioned, it does not affect common man's day to day life.. as compared to here, it affects every common man's day to day life..



I like your prospective...as I said, at the end of the day, you choose what you want to do with your life..

Like TK says "Peace"

T


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JRF   
Member since: Jul 04
Posts: 1853
Location: GTA, Ontario

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-05-12 15:19:08

Quote:
Originally posted by ashedfc
it does not affect common man's day to day life.. as compared to here, it affects every common man's day to day life..




Hmmmm....

1. Completely unfit Passenger commute vehicle (say a Private bus that hauls kids to school) goes for FC (Full checkup) to the RTO office in India, bribe the RTO, vehicle pass the FC, vehicle hits the road, rollover and kills 60 kids..

Its not a common man problem.


2. District Educational Officer approved functioning of a school that operates on a building with palm roof, bribe the officer, get it approved, school also runs a kitchen in the top floor, fire catches the building, 100 kids died.

Its not a common man problem.


3. New bridge is being built, contractor bribed the minister and the whole officer clan to get it certified, bridge collapses.


Its not a common man problem.


4. Property. An old man leaves a property to his aged wife to assist her living from the rent, renters occupy, refuse to pay rent, Police is bribed, judge is bribed. She commits suicide as she can't fight it or have any energy.

No way, Its not a common man problem.



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