The legacy of indian leaders


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Mishtar India   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-06-04 00:49:27

The extensive coverage of Ronald Reagan's last moments, got me thinking about indian leaders who commanded such universal respect and following .

Unfortunately after MK Gandhi and maybe Indira Gandhi to certain extent ( that too largely because of her Gandhi name) no one had the charisma to rise up in the world stage and become a universally admired world leader.
The legacy of MKG is hard to beat and he will remain as an all time great world leader but India needs some charimatic leaders on the world stage, someone whom we all can be proud of (irrespective of political affiliations).

Atal Bihari was slowly moving into that stature but he blundered with early elections and getting himself out of office.
Who do you all see as our next shining star ?


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Ottawa_Nerd   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-06-04 05:42:06

Laloo Prasad Yadav....
Legacy :- Matka mein Buttermilk :D


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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-06-04 05:42:06

Laloo Prasad Yadav....
Legacy :- Matka mein Buttermilk :D


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Mishtar India   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-06-04 06:45:25

Ya right!!! even tho i am a bihari , no one will fall for that one :D

but on a serious note , indian leadership scene on the world stage remains pretty bleak . dont you think?


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pratickm   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-06-04 09:14:00

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but on a serious note , indian leadership scene on the world stage remains pretty bleak . dont you think?

Actually, I think Indian leaders are far more honest, and less controversial than all these Western movie-star-turned-politicians.
Despite all our Laloos, Jayalalitas, Mulayams etc. I think I have more respect for Indian leaders than the Western ones, after living abroad.

Take Reagan for example - his Presidency in the US was characterized by one of the worst economic downturns, oil crisis, the Iran-Contra controversy, the invasion of Grenada....the list goes on and on.

On the personal perspective, there is no doubt that Reagan was a great personality - good, subtle sense of humour, charismatic, etc.
But I think the media here is overwhelmed after his passing away and giving him an image that is not exactly true.

On the television, we had George Bush Sr. and Barbara Bush speak so highly of Reagan and remember him with fond words.
However, the reality is different - when George Bush Sr. was Vice under Reagan, they were not exactly pals.
Bush was highly critical of Reagan's policies and used the infamous phrase "voodoo economics" to describe Reagan's economic programs.

I think his passing away has made everyone emotional at a time when they are starved of a good charismatic leader.
As a famous Indian shayar wrote:
"yeh duniya hai murda parastoon ki duniya".

As for Indian leaders, I think most of these Western leaders are nothing compared to our guys like Vajapayee, Advani, Indira Gandhi, Nehru, etc.
Mahatma Gandhi is of course in a different level altogether and even trying to compare these Western leaders is useless.


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Mishtar India   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-06-04 09:53:46

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Actually, I think Indian leaders are far more honest, and less controversial than all these Western movie-star-turned-politicians.
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Mahatma Gandhi is of course in a different level altogether and even trying to compare these Western leaders is useless.



I agree with you on the Mahatma Gandhi ...leaders like of him the world will probably not see for times to come.

As for the legacy of Reagan , despite his lack lustre performance in US economics, his brand of economic policies (reagan-omics) has become the mainstay of the Republican party in US . His single biggest achievement on the world stage was the end of Cold war ...it was mostly his initiative ...remember his speech at the fall of berlin wall when he said " Mr Gorbachev tore down this wall" ...that was his biggest contribution to the world and demonstration of his true leadership.

We dont see anyone in india who could be a unifier like Reagan. Our leaders are too busy changing stands and agendas for short political gains.


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pratickm   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-06-04 10:14:48

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As for the legacy of Reagan , despite his lack lustre performance in US economics, his brand of economic policies (reagan-omics) has become the mainstay of the Republican party in US .


He basically took the so-called "supply side economics" theory of Friedman and interpreted it to mean tax cuts for the ultra rich, the giant corporations and interest rate cuts.
This is a classic case of putting the fox in charge of the hen house !
No wonder Iron Thatcher and Reagan were great pals (she being the pioneer of the "trickle-down effect" theory of economic growth) !

I don't see any particular merit in either the economic theory that he espoused nor the economic policies.
His policies were anyway self-contradicting - on the one hand, he spoke of less government and more "free market", but on the other hand, ran the highest budget deficits in US history !
Successful economic policies - I don't think so !

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His single biggest achievement on the world stage was the end of Cold war ...it was mostly his initiative ...remember his speech at he fall of berlin wall when he said " Mr gorbachev tore down this wall" ...that was his biggest contribution to the world and demonstration of his true leadership.
More hype, myths and misinformation from the media in the event of his death.
The USSR was on its last legs - he merely placed a nicely decorated shroud on it.
Of course Gorbachev was great pals with Reagan - he saved Gorbachev from historical disgrace and ignominy.

What Reagan essentially ended up achieving, however, is reduce the world to a unipolar, single super-power structure.

He set the stage for the George Bush Sr. and George W. Bush type presidents.

He laid the table for the lunatics in the White House today to come feast on defenceless countries and poor third-world economies.

And if you take into account the atrocities committed under his "leadership" in Nicarauga, Grenada and central Africa, it tells its own story of ruthlessness.

Their blood trails are long, my friend - let us not get carried away by the nostalgia and the hype from the media and forget the realities.

God bless his soul, he is gone.
Let us remember him for the person that he was, and not imagine memories that never happened.

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We dont see anyone in india who could be a unifier like Reagan. Our leaders are too busy changing stands and agendas for short political gains.
I don't think I want people like him ruling my beloved motherland.
I would rather settle for Laloo as PM, Mulayam as Defense Minister and Jayalalita as Finance !

Sorry for the strong note of my post - you can guess how I feel about the whole thing, but that's my $0.02 CAD.


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