I would support it.

But remember, Gandhi Ji was fighting against clear oppression and foreign rule.

Most of us are immigrants (unfortunately of our own choosing) and not even citizens. How far would you go and how much support one would get from a not too "concerned" desi public is open for debate.

Women and Blacks you mention were clearly beging subjected to unfair practices over a fairly long period of time (100s of years for blacks).

Also when you do target a particular company you would have to be armed with 100% correct information (the source for which should not be CD). Else you would end up getting your own ass sued. Dont forget the corporate world here wields tremendous power to do both good and bad. They will hurt you. The govt may not be too happy about it too since they project Canada as a wonderful place to migrate.

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This is not about the employment but about something which is very important for everybody here.....Auto Insurance. You have 20 years' experience of driving in your home country or any other country (other than US) , you come here, MTO gives you exemption for G2 and you straight take G but when you ask for insurance, you lose about 22 to 30% discounts because you do not have Canadian Exp. of driving. So you had skills , so were able to present (passed G test straight instead of G2) but still they do not give you good rates. Why? Enlighten me with your theory, please!

If we go by your words, then all those immigrants who could not get a decent job in their own field even if they have had many years of experience and qualifications, they all are INCAPABLE because you do not see any reason why an employer will not hire them.
Chandresh bhai, sun rahe hain aap........aise hi bekaar mein apni qualifications (CA, CPA and what not......) aur expereince ka raag alapte rehte hain aur phir kehte hain ki aapko aapke level ki job nahin milti......are sahab, sach to yeh hai ki aap mein ability nahin hai apne aap ko kisi prospective employer ke saamne present karne ki............Kyon Crenshaw, teeh kah raha hoon na...

Take it easy guys! Jay77 is not talking about any violent protest or rail Roko ya Chakka Jam dharna, he is talking about Non-Cooperation. What is the harm in that?

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You wonder why there are not many takers for this idea ?

SF's post gives plenty of reasons why.

Guys , i agree the job market is tough out there , but it is not just for immigrants but for locals as well...it really is tough esp for those who come here after uprooting themselves in mid career...but believe me many locals are feeliing the pinch as well.

Now, does it mean that all immigrants are discriminated against and not given opportuinities?. I dont think so , a very large segment of immigrants are able to get into the mainstream. After all, if 49% are immigrants in GTA, are all of them unemployed?

A friend works for a major home builder and according to him over 70% of their customer base for condos are immigrants who have been in Canada for 3-8 years. If you lookup the phone book of the new posh developments near markham, Unionville etc you will find mostly Chinese or desis names .

Now i am not saying that every immigrant settles in per their liking but people generally settle in well in a few years.

Now coming to the topic of "non cooperation " and not buying certain stuff. The buying power of new immigrants is very low as such, and if you encourage them to stop buying certain toothpastes or shampoo do you think their struggles will end ? and they will get jobs right away ?

get real buddy .

What will help them if we can get them to get into the job market and mainstream thru our networks and help them in developing their skills.

Immigrants form the biggest chunk of the workforce here and every firm employs immigrants ....you wont find any firm which does not employ immigrants.

Lets compare apples to apples, Mahatma Gandhi protested against forced illegal occupation of our country.We chose to come here , no one forced us to come here us here .....and sometimes the outcome is not always as planned.

But looking back in india even today there are thousands of Doctors, Engineers, CAs, and Phds who dont get jobs and are not happy with their lives there....and many "choose" to come here. Does any one protest in india for not getting jobs, nepotism , corruption , quotas ???

Sanjeev , i guess you have lived in Middleeast , if not then those who have been there can tell you how blatant the discrimination is , even your passport is taken away , but everyone just sucks it up and dare not say the word protest ....what happend there?

In Canada, if there is a case of open discrimination , one must take it up and complain. The Govt here provides many avenues to lodge complaints.
but when the society gives all the freedoms and opportunities for fairness , you plan to work against the same system which gave you the freedom.

please ....“ apni hi thaali main khud chhhed na karo”

Just my personal opinion

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Hello Crenshaw

You are making a little headway here, firstly you have a post in your name and now you got people to actually acknowledge that ALLs not bad- thats a start

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So all firms are not bad!!!!!!!!! Thats news. Thank God for that.

Hello Jay

Why dont you try where you feel "they dont discriminate"

Maybe the ones who are at present engaged in work could give addresses of their firms where they work to the ones who dont have work -help out each other maybe - maybe those guys too can get employed instead of cooking up ideas of revolt and like launching a non cooperation movement- why not try and help each other. Unless you feel its ok to gab, but back out when it comes to helping someone- fear losing your own job to the new guy?

Chinese & latino communities are promoting their own tremendously.

I think that would be a bit easier rather than coordinating which toothpaste to not buy amongst 10000 members Some may not want to switch their toothpastes even for such an idea.

I was also wondering how would such a "non cooperation" work against a firm which "discriminates" but doesnt sell toothpaste which you could refuse to buy .

While POA is a great angreji term, with these kind of things i hope that you have given it thought theres the chance of reprisal firings by firms who ARE at present hiring Indians citing reasons for their firm's safety seeing such visible unrest amongst desis. I hope that your POA caters for feeding them too, after all they would get kicked out thanks to you.

For the benefit of the less informed, who really somehow in their wisdom think that its a feasible idea, allow me to educate you gentlemen that it just takes the issue of a "security certificate" by a Federal judge against an immigrant for him/her to be chucked out of the country in less than 48 hours- and its NOT appealable, preserved for cases where the person is causing unrest or posing a threat to the nation in some manner thats creating a nuisance in other words). The overzealous ones may like to give that another thought too.

I bring out the regulation for a Security certificate
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What is a security certificate? A security certificate is one way for CBSA to remove a person who poses a security threat. A certificate is only issued for removal purposes when there is information that needs to be protected for security reasons.

Security certificates are reviewed and signed by the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness. They can be issued against permanent residents and foreign nationals.

Once signed, security certificates are referred to the Federal Court. The judge hears all or part of the evidence from the Minister in the absence of the person named. Evidence and information are heard in private by the judge to protect national security or the safety of any person. The judge will also hear evidence and testimony from the person named in the certificate.

What is the effect of a security certificate? When a security certificate is issued, all other immigration proceedings are suspended until the Federal Court makes a decision on the reasonableness of the certificate.

Foreign nationals who are the subject of a security certificate are automatically detained. Permanent residents may be detained on a case-by-case basis.

If the judge determines that the certificate is unreasonable, the certificate is quashed. If, however, the judge decides that it is reasonable, then the certificate automatically becomes a removal order. The Federal Court's decision cannot be appealed.
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The security certificate is a very powerful tool and is often debated upon as we debate the POTA back in India. Do a bit of read at these places and you will understand its power & all encompassing usage

http://www.web.net/~ccr/relcert.htm
www.zundelsite.org/zundel_persecuted/nov15_zgram.html
http://www.hour.ca/news/news.aspx?iIDArticle=4332
http://www.homesnotbombs.ca/secrettrials.htm

Where is in this world there no discrimination. Even a mother often favors one child maybe the youngest or weakest. The way i (or anyone else would) see it is that if you went to Canada, no one put a gun to your head and made you do that. Noone promised you a job either- come to think neither does India govt do that- yet no major cribs against them _ or maybe the reason was that YOU KNEW CRIBBING WAS OF NO USE SO PREFERRED TO MIGRATE.

Ever wonder why sanjeejm has a job or business while you dont. And dont you ever wonder the others who read your posts just read and ratified your idea but noone bothered to try and help you ?

I dont suppose that you have seen what kind of problems foreign residents face in India, when we go out with our friends who are residents of UK or US - it often gets embarassing- Three of them who are here for humanitarian work and cant start their work pending clearances from the Ministry of Home Affairs- guess what they are working for free yet they still require clearances. Two others (from UK) are working in India as hydrogeologists and often face so much discrimination(by salary, place of stay, assignments and leave) but i have yet to see them crib so badly.

But then i guess as i am told thats the BEAUTY of this site - its negativity !

I would suggest that people think in rational manner and not get carried away with emotions especially over the internet. You have far more to lose, trust me.

While i do not wish to sound paranoic, some guys may also like to bear in minds that they are on the internet, people browse these sites, lot of security agencies do too, when you post -your IPs are very much traceable, its also easy to build your whole life history after reading a few of your posts (called profiling incidentally) though some people make it more convenient by putting their names & telephone addresses on public display: so you may just like to rethink the privacy aspect of an internet forum and the intelligence which prompted you to discuss to discuss an issue like instigating an uprising against a government on an insecure site.

Its ok to crib but this maybe taking things a little too far.

Some of the readers would hopefully understand

Rest is up to you. Buy lots of toothpaste in advance

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But looking back in india even today there are thousands of Doctors, Engineers, CAs, and Phds who dont get jobs and are not happy with their lives there....and many "choose" to come here. Does any one protest in india for not getting jobs, nepotism , corruption , quotas ???

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Manasvi,

You are right in saying that Doctors/CAs do not do menial jobs in india. And in the last 10 years things have improved a greatly.
On an average professionals are decently employed in india, but are all doing as well as the average?

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