One more tale of immigrant woes
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Posted on: 30-11-04 14:06:23
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Orginally posted by jago_desi
Dear Friend,
First Canada has to start recognising your foreign skills and education without that, how can they cross the barrier of accepting you as a professional and sponsor on work visa. So they have a long way to go US way.
It is not just the immigration system that needs changes - the entire work culture and the way employer do their recruiting needs to change as well.
Without that kind of cultural change, if CIC simply changes the immigration policy, it will replace one problem with another.
In the case of US, the immigration policy follows (and not leads) industry requirements and recruitment practices and the overall work culture.
While their system has several loopholes, drawbacks and potential for abuse (as well as a lot of real abuse going on), it seems to be working well for them (dis-regarding the proponents of the anti-outsourcing and the anti-H-1B lobby).
While on the subject of immigration policy, I think Canada must also stop playing the general "dharamshala" for all sorts of refugeesfrom different parts of the world.
It is good to contribute towards the United Nations effort for re-settlement of refugees, but Canada has taken it to an exteme.
Soon they will face that France and Germany are facing today because of a similar policy back in the 70s and 80s.
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Orginally posted by pratickm
It is not just the immigration system that needs changes - the entire work culture and the way employer do their recruiting needs to change as well.
Without that kind of cultural change, if CIC simply changes the immigration policy, it will replace one problem with another.
Since western economies are all about the private sector, they have to step in big time. It seems they are doing it very half heartedly or not in many cases not doing it at all. And not out of some crookedness or anything like that. they are just unaware of the problem.
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Orginally posted by mercury6
If Canada needs people what do they need it for? If you answer that quesion then the next question is what do they Skilled People for. The economy which is growing is not doing so where highly skilled people are needed.
I hope you agree that there is a brain drain.
No I don't. I find that rather simplistic. The U.S. allows a lot of people in too through various visas. Does that mean there's a brain drain in the U.S.? So many Americans are up in arms about the fact that they don't have jobs while H-1 holders do the work.
So the H-1 system is not perfect either. First of all, it does not guarantee immigration, which is the goal of most people who work overseas. Secondly, the program leaves quite a bit of room for abuse akin to the "bonded labour" that Pratick is talking about.
I don't dispute that the mapping of skilled jobs to workers needs to be executed in a better way in Canada. But I don't agree that Canada needs to do the same exact H-1 thing here too.
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That not the question......going by that you would be underestimating CD's contribution as just a place for irrelevant immigration chit chat.....which it is not.
I'm not underestimating CD's contribution. But you're smart enough to know that a LOT MORE than posts on CanadianDesi has to happen for REAL change to come through. The contention that posts here will bring about change in govt. policy is pure fantasy.
In the meantime, dozens of immigrants are arriving in Canada everyday. I think we stand a much better chance if we focus our efforts on educating and helping those guys rather than wait for the govt. to act.
My 2 cents.
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
No I don't. I find that rather simplistic. The U.S. allows a lot of people in too through various visas. Does that mean there's a brain drain in the U.S.? So many Americans are up in arms about the fact that they don't have jobs while H-1 holders do the work.
So the H-1 system is not perfect either. First of all, it does not guarantee immigration, which is the goal of most people who work overseas. Secondly, the program leaves quite a bit of room for abuse akin to the "bonded labour" that Pratick is talking about.
I never said h1 was a perfect system.
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I don't dispute that the mapping of skilled jobs to workers needs to be executed in a better way in Canada. But I don't agree that Canada needs to do the same exact H-1 thing here too.
But it does that same matching of jobs to candidates that you think is not being done properly at present.
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The contention that posts here will bring about change in govt. policy is pure fantasy.
nice to know.....
Dear CDs, we are all in a fanstasy world. Ok that was a joke.
Think of this posting as a form of protest.
I think you should not underestimate the power of the Internet in these times (Bloggers)
Every post doesnt need to be of some tangible value. thats what a discussion forum is about.
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In the meantime, dozens of immigrants are arriving in Canada everyday. I think we stand a much better chance if we focus our efforts on educating and helping those guys rather than wait for the govt. to act.
My 2 cents.
So you are saying that the govt is not doing it Job properly and that private citizens (and non-citizens) must step in. I agree.
The problem is a very basic and simple one at its core.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
Relax...no ambush. The world is not out to get you.
I hope you guys KNOW the meaning of this smiley :
I think it means "BIG GRIN". Right? Or are you devoid of humour??Nor are your ex-spouse/neighbours/employer etc...well, not for most anyway
. You ok??
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
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Nor are your ex-spouse/neighbours/employer etc...well, not for most anyway
You ok??
Alls perfect on those fronts! And you?
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
What have YOU done on this board,until now that has helped someone and how? Or for that matter, who on this whole board has done anything VIA this board that has helped anyone and how?? Any examples of \"help\" on this board, other than posts from people that have provided \"information\" and \"answers\" to issues and questions raised? To that end, I too have tried and contributed whatever little I could.
DTC,
While I agree with many of your comments about various things, I am totally unable to understand the comment cited above. In my opinion, if someone has given some information to another and that information has been useful to the receiver, isn't it help? If not, can you define help?
Secondly, even if your pointing out the negetives of the system, the forum, individual comments and things alike have been 100% true, is that all you are capable of? You seem to be an intelligent guy who brings up a lot of issues worth discussing, but I seem to get the impression that all you do it criticize (which even if always correct, is the only thing i find in your posts). Don't you think you should divert some of your energies towards a postive contribution - instead of telling that this is wrong, why not come out with some suggestions of your own, what you think is right and useful to individuals, for the forum, for the community, for the government, etc. etc.???
And we at CD are not here to get medals and awards for our contribution to desis in general - we have done a lot to help others in various manners and need neither advertise it, nor expect to be answerable to anyone, including you (of our contribution or lack of it). However, just for your info, help has been provided physically, via e-mails, via suggestions, via information, via introductions etc. etc. etc.
And, in my humble unsolicited opinion, it is high time you start contributing too-in case you want the general readers on the forum to give due respect to your thoughts. However, if you aint bothered, you aint bothered - simple!
Chandresh
PS - by the way, the above is being written as a member, NOT as a moderator, please note.
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