One more tale of immigrant woes
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Posted on: 30-11-04 17:09:50
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Orginally posted by chandresh
DTC,
While I agree with many of your comments about various things, I am totally unable to understand the comment cited above. In my opinion, if someone has given some information to another and that information has been useful to the receiver, isn't it help? If not, can you define help?
I may be wrong but, since you seem to have known BL for so long, perhaps you do not like the altercation between him and me. If you read the thread properly, you will find that it is BL who has made the allegation and challenged me to "DO something" and to "get off the mic. and actually start doing something".
I take the liberty of quoting:
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
Can you tell me how this stuff helps anybody??? You talk big, however that's pretty much all I've seen. When are you actually planning to DO something?
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
Really. All this "govt. should do this and govt. should do that" sounds so vacant , man. Why don't you get off the mic. and actually start doing something?
In response to this unwarranted tirade, I asked him what "help" has he or anyone else provided VIA this message board OTHER THEN providing information and answers to questions. Here is what I said again:
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Any examples of "help" on this board, other than posts from people that have provided "information" and "answers" to issues and questions raised?
Please note the use of the word "other" in my post above. Do I appear to deny that giving "some information to another" and if "that information has been useful to the receiver" is NOT help??
Do you still think your question to me is justified?
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Orginally posted by chandresh
but I seem to get the impression that all you do it criticize (which even if always correct, is the only thing i find in your posts).
Is criticizing bad? Have you found me arguing without adequate justification and reason?
I have contributred my share of information as and when I could and to the best of my ability. I have entered into arguments only when some sensitive issues seem to have been partisanly handled. Other than that, there was the occasion where I took offence to crenshaw ridiculing mercury for the type of job he was doing, and the second was GiG's post, which I still hold can do more damage than good.
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Orginally posted by chandresh
why not come out with some suggestions of your own, what you think is right and useful to individuals, for the forum, for the community, for the government, etc. etc.???
Having been on this board for as long as you have been, I am sure you have already come across all the worthwhile and constructive suggestions possible. There ARE no more suggestions to make! Most of what I have seen, and continue to see, are not suggestions! Do you, or anyone in his right mind, consider the fifteen point flyer of GiG, and similar others, as unique suggestions useful for immigrants who are in there prepatory phase to come here?? Strip them of the jazz and you will get more suggestions worth that name on the website of CIC itself. Take a look here and see for yourself: http://canadainternational.gc.ca/GTC/prepare_for_working-en.htm
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http://canadainternational.gc.ca/GTC/Preparing_to_live_in_Canada-en.htm
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Orginally posted by chandresh
However, just for your info, help has been provided physically, via e-mails, via suggestions, via information, via introductions etc. etc. etc.
I too have done my bit in the first five. As for the sixth, I don't think I am much different from most here. How come then I am being told that I have not helped???
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Orginally posted by chandresh
it is high time you start contributing too
As I said, I HAVE contributed where I could. The only difference is that I have also expressed my scorn and criticisms at posts that I found were nothing more than trash and I have done that without reservations!
Thanks for the advice though.
I shall however wait to be banned rather than be forced to stop expressing my opinions freely.
And last, but not the least, you HAVE to give me credit for generating some interesting fun and reading! Else this board is sooooo...drab!! Right??
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Orginally posted by jake3d
Alls perfect on those fronts! And you?
I didn't ask you whether you were ok on those fronts! Didn't you notice the
smiley? That's for "confused". My confusion was because I could not detect the relevance of that statement concerning my "ex-spouse/neighbours/employer etc" with the context of discussion.
I still don't?? I am still
Anyways, let's go back to our tents!
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
huh??? So now we're talking impressions now.
Now? When did I say I WASN'T??
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
So I'm sure you'll be very agreeable when people make statements about you based on their impressions, right?
Not always! If not, and if it matters to me, I will defend my position.
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
Instead of having me dig up old posts, since you're the one who started saying that I'm against whiners, why don't YOU dig up some isntances where I've protested in the wrong manner? Do the work yourself.
It was you who said
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
"All I've protested is the way the issues are presented and exaggerated."
To that I asked
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
And can you please let me know WHERE they have been presented in a wrong manner or exagerrated?
And you ask me to "dig up"?? How do I "dig up" what to me does not exist? That was my question? I do not see posts where "issues are presented and exaggerated", so how can I dig them up??
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
Aboslutely. I'm glad you agree that your post didn't do squat.
What causes you this delight? 90% of the posts on here don't do squat! What makes you so happy?
Why not attend the next CanadianDesi gathering and find out for yourself?
My question was specific to the board and the posts here and not outside of it.
And stop fuming thro your ears. It is bad for health to be so angry.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
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Orginally posted by jake3d
Alls perfect on those fronts! And you?
I didn't ask you whether you were ok on those fronts! Didn't you notice the
My confusion was because I could not detect the relevance of that statement concerning my "ex-spouse/neighbours/employer etc" with the context of discussion.
I still don't?? I am still
Anyways, let's go back to our tents!
Come on dtc!you have taken it upon yourself to define the 'context' of discussions? Especially when you are bringing people and topics from all over into any and all posts you fancy just because you feel lonely and want to engage/bait others to give you some attention?
I think i have as much of right to discuss matters like that too.
What say you? Or should be just let bygones be bygones and approach it from a more civil viewpoint? Or we can continue with this mindless game and talk about the topics like ex-spouse/neighbours/employer etc. Game? After all you do want to know what I am really talking about
BTW: since you bring it up...
(like you actually posted) is not a confused icon...tsk!tsk!. For someone who dotes so much on smiley's you seem to be losing your touch.-----------------------------------------------------------------
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
In response to this unwarranted tirade...
Unwarranted tirade? First off, you make a statement about me that's totally false. And by your own admission, that's just your impression, not a fact. Then you go ahead and call stories posted here fake and useless.
I have the impression that for whatever reason, the word Success in Canada stings you like no bee could.
I also have the impression that a lot of this has to do with ego. My impressions also tell me that once Wisernow was banned for "fuming with rage", you decided you'd get back somehow. Best way to do that? Criticize. Do nothing constructive but poke holes in whatever others try to do. That's my impression. Quote:
And stop fuming thro your ears. It is bad for health to be so angry.
. Stand across your bathroom mirror and repeat that a few times everyday, man. Also repeat "Its not good for your health when you only criticize and never do anything constructive in life.". 
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Are you there?
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Orginally posted by mercury6
I never said h1 was a perfect system.
But it does that same matching of jobs to candidates that you think is not being done properly at present.
I never said you said it was perfect.
Yes, it does the job matching. What about disadvantages though?
1) People cannot file for immigration on their own anymore. You have to rely on corporations or Mamas.
2) If you lose your job and don't find another one within a few weeks, get out of our country!
3) Whoever sponsors your greencard pretty much has you by the neck. Get ready to get exploited.
4) You can't buy property, have to pay FULL taxes, yet get no benefits in return, healthcare is subject to whether your employer provides it and so on and so forth...
So I'm saying that simply replacing the immigration system with a h-1 like system will fix one issue and create others.
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nice to know.....
Dear CDs, we are all in a fanstasy world. Ok that was a joke.
Think of this posting as a form of protest.
I think you should not underestimate the power of the Internet in these times (Bloggers)
Every post doesnt need to be of some tangible value. thats what a discussion forum is about.
I never said every post has to be of tangible value. Just putting forth my opinion that this form of protest alone will not bring about change. You can keep your fingers crossed if you want to though.
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So you are saying that the govt is not doing it Job properly and that private citizens (and non-citizens) must step in. I agree.
The problem is a very basic and simple one at its core.
Now when you talk about citizens and immigrants "stepping in", you have to come up with something tangible. Its just time-pass otherwise.
I certainly hope that one day this and other immigrant forums will have a powerful voice that will at least cause some ripples if not a storm. That critical mass is still FAR off though. That's the reality. The discussions can go on and on...
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Are you there?
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
A lot of publications (including the TO Star) have printed a LOT of articles on immigrant woes here. They've done little to shape govt. policy so far, exactly what makes you think that the govt. will modify policies based on your inputs on CanadianDesi?
Pen in mightier than the sword they say ....................
And I thought the Press helps just by bringing the facts 2 light which incidentally TO Star seems 2 b doing ........ Its only when the Press uncovers the reality the Govt is forced 2 act . They have done their bit . What more do u expect out of them ??
Just like those who r voicing their concerns on this board either in favor or against r doing their bit . U dont expect the Govt 2 invite us 2 form the Immigration policy . We can just publicise it so that the Govt may realise the loop holes & try n plug them .
And may be some day the Govt invites CDs asking their opinion .... lol.... m sure we wont back out then !!
No kidding but it does take time n effort in posting r thoughts on the board and we do spend a considerable time ....... Do u mean 2 say that it all s a waste and a fantasy ?? I think all of us including Crenshaw and DTC have come out with tips & advices for new comers .................... from which they can derive the on-ground- realities ............... at least curtailing more damage or bringing in more whichever way it may be .
If voicing concerns and writing on this board is fanciful and meaningless then I wonder about the objective behind his Board and the site ?????
Manasvi .
