I agree with you Jake. Most human beings use a set of heuristics (short cuts) to make decisions due to the complexity of today's world and lack of time to analyze every situation. Secondly we have a need to assign a cause or reason for every thing which happens to us since the unknown bothers us.

Unfortunately popular media seems to reinforce and propogate the common stereotypes adding fuel to the fire.

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How this problem can be solved???….. In GG’s words : But it is we who should make difference. Let us all start doing this and there will not have a chance for anybody to say this again.

So, let us do it !!!

Thanks and regards.
Biomed

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Thanks Jake,

Yours is also a well considered position.

Just to clarify my view. Stereotypes are not excuses. Stereotypes are observed patterns. I’m not saying that a certain culture is excused of a particular negative behavioural pattern because it’s a generally common trait. Nor that they can be praised for a positive one on the same grounds. I’m only saying that knowing that it’s a common trait gives us the opportunity to recognize it and preserve it or change it (as a collective). We do that, hopefully, based on the higher principles which we all feel in our hearts to be true and binding.

I believe (rightly or wrongly) that human character can not help but extend to all facets of society. What is true on an individual level is also true on a collective one. War, for example, is an extention of an individual’s ability to kill another human being. Mass social war would not be possible without the individual’s ability to kill one on one. Aid between countries is not much different than one neighbour feeling compelled to help a less fortunate neighbour.

If we recognize that individuals can hold varying beliefs, values and principals. If we recognize that human beings have different personalities. Than it is probable that countries/cultures also to have different "personalities".

Societies or cultures are a mass of individuals, and come to have an incredibly powerful force in the forming of new individuals (babies) entering their society. To not recognize that cultures have a great influence on the individuals it produces is perhaps simplistic. Hopeful, but simplistic. One is bound to be influenced by the culture one is submerged in, especially as a young, pre-rationalistic mind. Later in life one can actually look at and “try” to change, but pre-rational mind-sets are difficult to alter. It can take generations to liberate a culture from a “way of being”.

For many many centuries cultures did not have much contact with each other, and the forming of "personalities" did go on in a non-interfered-with manner. It is only in the last few centuries, and especially in the last decades (through media and ease of travel,thank god) that the world is starting to overlap it's cultural boundaries.

You are to be applauded for “checking yourself” when you find yourself looking past cultural stereotypes. I try, in my imperfect way, to do the same. It is only on that individual level that we will create this new world blind to race, sex, disability, etc. But honestly, to not recognize that we are under a powerful cultural generational grip is just not accepting the laws of human nature. We are programmed to group, we are programmed to conform, but thank god we are also programmed to evolve!

Isn’t rhetoric great! ;-)

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But honestly, to not recognize that we are under a powerful cultural generational grip is just not accepting the laws of human nature. We are programmed to group, we are programmed to conform, but thank god we are also programmed to evolve!

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Okay
Cool it down folks
The person who started this thread was simply pointing that often one finds many desis lacking civilities which are a hall mark of any civilized society
Of course a huge reason for this is the fact that most of desis in Canada do not have the urban middle or upper class upbringing. Besides they don 't need to integrate with the society as canada encourages ghettoization. Hence they still live with the traits they were brought up with.
Then there are those who are at ease be at Bombay, London Or Toronto.

This problem of civic sense is here to stay and gets compunded a million times the moment one lands in India.

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L agree that we indians do not have any manners. I moved here from Us recently and I find the indians are the same where ever they go. They are always in hurry .No patience.always jealous of others. we have got to learn a lot in manners and behaviour.

We will never change and i can give you many incidents here for which there is no justification from our side. we are basically like animals trying to survive in world of our own.