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Sad to say but you are spot on; they are a banana republic.

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And now her 19 year old son who probably still hasn't even finished school is the party chairman! Unreal!

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Can draw parallel with Rajiv Gandhi. Yes 'Unreal', but Politics.

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First of all my condolances to the Bhutoo family. I was shocked when I heard the new on CNN . A former leader like that did not deserve a death like that.
I belive that this unfortunate incident would be a blessing in disguise for India. No one long belived that Pakisthan sponsered terrorists in the Kashmir region. Now with this incident India has more authority in demanding to UN about giving more pressure to pakisthan on the Kashmir issue.
It would be very interesting to see the developments in Pakisthan in the months to come. The election comission would announce tomorrow the new date for the elections. It would be a blessing if a strong democratic party / leader comes into power in the next election and who belives in curbing terrorism.
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I am a Gents and not a Ladies.

This is never going to happen. The word Democracy does not exist in the Pakistani dictionary.

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First of all my condolances to the Bhutoo family. I was shocked when I heard the new on CNN . A former leader like that did not deserve a death like that.
I belive that this unfortunate incident would be a blessing in disguise for India. No one long belived that Pakisthan sponsered terrorists in the Kashmir region. Now with this incident India has more authority in demanding to UN about giving more pressure to pakisthan on the Kashmir issue.
It would be very interesting to see the developments in Pakisthan in the months to come. The election comission would announce tomorrow the new date for the elections. It would be a blessing if a strong democratic party / leader comes into power in the next election and who belives in curbing terrorism.
TK A

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You know you are a desi when ........ You spew forth the virtues of India, but don't want to live there...............You've never had a tanning salon membership

http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3730.html

January 2, 2008


Francois Gautier

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh described Benzair Bhutto as 'one of the outstanding leaders of our sub-continent, who always looked for reconciliation between India and Pakistan'.

Most magazines are doing cover stories on her.

Bhutto is on the verge of becoming a 'martyr of democracy'. It is a sad that a mother of three children was so brutally killed and we all mourn her terrible death.

Full coverage: Benazir Bhutto killed

Nevertheless, truth must be told. For, as usual, what the press says is not exactly what happened.

Firstly, under Bhutto, anti-Indian terrorism in the Kashmir region was fostered and increased. Benazir was also directly responsible for the ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Kashmir.

"She was instrumental in sponsoring jihad, openly inciting militants to intensify terrorism in India," says Ajai Sahni, the executive director of the New Delhi-based Institute for Conflict Management. "I find it very difficult to discover a single element with her relationship to India that is positive and for the betterment of her country or the region," he adds.

Remember how she was shouting her slogans of azaadi, and exhorting the people of Kashmir to cut Jagmohan, then governor of the state, into pieces, as in "jag-jag, mo-mo, han-han". She would say this while making chopping motions with her right hand as it moved from her left wrist to the elbow, leaving nobody in any doubt as to what she meant.

Secondly, under Bhutto, the Taliban formed and, helped by Pakistan's intelligence service, swept across Afghanistan and later hosted Osama bin Laden. It is a bit of an irony that she may have been killed by the very people she helped foster if at all she was murdered.

We South Asians like our leaders dead

Thirdly, she deliberately increased tension levels and then threatened India with a pre-emptive nuclear strike. The tension peaked when Bhutto repeated her late father's immortal boast of waging a 1,000-year war against India. Even Rajiv Gandhi was forced to mock her in Parliament, asking if those who talked of a 1,000-year war could last even a 1,000 hours.

And fourthly, in her last speech before she died, she alluded to India as one of the threats Pakistan had to face, implying that if she was elected she would deal firmly with it.

Then why is it that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh calls her a friend of India and that Indians mount candlelight vigils in the Gateway of India for her?

I interviewed Benazir Bhutto twice, the second time as she was campaigning to be re-elected for a second term. The first question I asked, was about Kashmir, as she was the one who had called for Azad Kashmir, a Kashmir free from India, which had triggered the ethnic cleansing of most of the Hindus of the Valley of Kashmir -- 400,000 of them had to flee their ancestral land.

"You know," she answered, "You have to understand the Pakistani point of view on Kashmir. If one goes by the logic of Partition, then at least the Kashmir valley, which is in great majority Muslim -- and it should be emphasised that for long the Hindus Pandits in Kashmir exploited and dominated the Muslims, who are getting back at them today -- should have reverted to Pakistan. But let us say that officially we want to help grant Kashmiris their right to self-determination."

"That's the only reason?" I continued.

"No," answered Benazir. "It should be clear also that Pakistan never forgot the humiliating loss of Bangladesh at the hands of India, although India claims it only helped Bangladesh to gain its freedom in the face of what the Bangladeshis say was Pakistani genocide. Zia's emergence was a result of that humiliation."

"But Zia hanged your father?" I interrupted.

"Yes and I hate him and god the almighty already punished him for that," said Benazir, alluding to Zia's death in a plane crash. "But Zia did one thing right, he started the whole policy of proxy war by supporting the separatist movements in Punjab and Kashmir, as a way of getting back at India."

"What about Pakistan's nuclear bomb?" I asked.

"That's my father's work," she said proudly. "He realised, after having lost the 1965 and 1971 wars with India, that both numerically and strategically, we can never beat India in a conventional conflict. Thus he initiated the programme by saying that 'We will get the nuclear bomb, even if we have to eat grass'."

"But is it not a dangerous weapon if it falls in the hands of the fundamentalists of your country?" I asked.

Anti-Bhutto army factions behind the murder?

"No such danger," Benazir answered. "Anyway, it is not only a deterrent against India's military conventional superiority and an answer to India's own nuclear capability, but also the ultimate weapon to re-assert Islam's moral superiority."

"We in Europe are going to unite in a Common Market, why don't Pakistan and India forget their differences and form some kind of confederation with other South Asian countries, instead of killing each other?" I asked.

"Pakistan and India were never one country," answered the imperious lady. "They were only kept together by force, whether by Mauryan, Moghul or British rule. Hindus have recognised the reality of Islam, and we needed our own country to feel free."

I was flabbergasted: here was a lady educated in Oxford and Harvard, who mouthed such irrational statements. She spoke good English, was pretty, articulate and pleased the press.

But when in power, she had to resort to anti-Indianism to please her voters. Her husband was known as Mr 10 Per Cent. She was hounded out of power twice for incompetence and corruption.

Is she then a martyr of democracy?

History will tell.

Francois Gautier is the editor in chief of Paris-based La Revue de l'Inde

Source : rediff.com/news

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Hindu Genocide in Kashmir

It is difficult to apply democracy in Pakistan but General Pervaiz Musharaf inspite of being an army person has done alot to bring prosperity and improvment in the country.

The media is quiet free in Pakistan and in India which claims to be a democratic state, you won't find even a single channel where people are allowed to joke about Indian government.

In Pakistan their are more than 20 channels and we have many discussion channels and also we have women right department which is geting support from government.

Benazir Bhutto was a genius women and the 1st muslim women who became a prime minister of a country.

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The media is quiet free in Pakistan and in India which claims to be a democratic state, you won't find even a single channel where people are allowed to joke about Indian government.

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