Posted on: 28-04-04 11:43:59
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Orginally posted by Mishtar India
It is hard to say anything about materials engineering.... most engineers end up in a related but different feild here ...the market is very wide.
the skills which one should very good at irrespective of professon is ..
personality, presentation, communication and confidence levels
if one has the above 4 it becomes easier to get into new feilds.
I wanted to mean Materials Management and not Materials Engineering ( Metallurgy).
Those 4 qualities are indeed the key success factors true for any field in my opinion.
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Orginally posted by Mishtar India
It is hard to say anything about materials engineering.... most engineers end up in a related but different feild here ...the market is very wide.
the skills which one should very good at irrespective of professon is ..
personality, presentation, communication and confidence levels
if one has the above 4 it becomes easier to get into new feilds.
I wanted to mean Materials Management and not Materials Engineering ( Metallurgy).
Those 4 qualities are indeed the key success factors true for any field in my opinion.
SANDI
i'm fresh structural engineer from india and am about to migrate to ontario on spousal sponsreship. i'm also having somewhat experience in building construction. will wnybody in this forum please guide me how can i pursue in my profession after moving to canada . i have also done staad pro the design software
Somewhere in the forum I saw Civil Engineers with design background can find jobs easily (comparatively) than others.
What about Civil Engineers with Construction, Contracting and Project Management experience? The Ontario Job Future suggests the prospect of Civil Enginners till 2007 is 'Good'. What is the ground reality?
Mishtar India seems to have a highly positive, though if I may venture so far, a little unrealistic, even a perhaps extravagant attitude, about job prospects here for new immigrants. Not to mention the reason of his upbeat disposition being that he has managed, and I would hasten to add that he has been extremely fortunate in this, to land himself with a decent job in a relatively very short period of time after landing. With no malafide intentions towards Mishtar India, I would urge potential immigrants to be a trifle cautious and wary and avoid getting infected by the "positive attitude" virus. While I do not deny the relevance of the management jargons and mantras that have a more than liberal sprinkling of words like "personality", "presentation", "communication" and "confidence levels", these are more meaningful only in a "pro-job" atmosphere and in a business environment that is willing to give credit to your technical skills besides such abstract traits. Mishtar India has been lucky but cases like his are few and far between and are more exceptions than the rule.
Prospects for engineers are tough regardless of what discipline and expertise you bring. The clause of "canadian experience" applies across the board with very little variation by profession. Please be advised that the difficulty in getting a job here follows the curve for standard normal distribution. The majority of the people fall within the 1-sigma points in terms of difficulty in getting a proper break. Cases like Mishtar India are perhaps in the 3 sigma range and not truly representative of the majority.
As regards economic outlook for various sectors, I urge immigrants to do due diligence for themselves and only then reach conclusions. For example, here is one report that might be of some help. Despite Mishtar India's contention, I am afraid I do not see a very rosy picture painted for the construction industry.
http://www.bmo.com/economic/regular/sector.html
Needless to say that an individual's chances of getting a job are not very much a function of the economic outlook.
As a last note I would like to add that the views above are not because I am a defeatist or because my personal experience has been bad. These views are from someone who secured a job within two months of landing and in a highly respected company in the region. But I prefer not to coat the real picture and make it look any more alluring or pleasing than it actually is.
Once again, I request Mishtar India not take this as a personal affront.
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wisernow
My experience out here has been as follows: (as always there are exceptions to the rule and some people here may choose to disagree).
--- In general people with a technical background and a strong niche within their field tend to have an easier time getting jobs.
---- Even with a technical niche you need to have the right buzz words in your resume so that you are called for an interview.
-----Rather than blindly sending out resumes it helps to thoroughly research companies in your technical field and send them a tailor made resume and follow up, follow up and follow up.......
-----If you want to research the skills/experience employers are looking for go to workopolis.com and search for the position you think you may qualify for and try to meet those qualifications line by line.
The above points may / may not help you but what I want to reinforce is that you have to think strategically about how you apply, to whom you apply and why you can help the company and not the next person.
Finally the essence of strategy is not only making choices and tradeoffs but also in choosing not to do the things you originally thought of doing like coming to Canada based on the facts. It could be the best strategic choice you may ever make!!
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Orginally posted by wisernow
With no malafide intentions towards Mishtar India, I would urge potential immigrants to be a trifle cautious and wary and avoid getting infected by the "positive attitude" virus.
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Cases like Mishtar India are perhaps in the 3 sigma range and not truly representative of the majority.
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Despite Mishtar India's contention, I am afraid I do not see a very rosy picture painted for the construction industry.
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the views above are not because I am a defeatist or because my personal experience has been bad.
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Once again, I request Mishtar India not take this as a personal affront.
Wisernow, i do not take it as an affront...niether is anyone calling you a defeatist...but anyway , thanks for clarifying that you are not one.
we surely have different outlooks but i never heard the term "positive attitude virus" thats a first for me
. It is interesting that you look at being positive as being that way.As for calling me 3 sigma i wonder where you get that from .....without having any interaction with me ... your assessment of me is not correct.
I am a very average person and probably there are many more qualified and capable people in this forum than me who have better personality and communication skills. I am just as lucky as you are or others on this forum who got the chance to make a new beginning here and could leave behind many times tougher competition and environment back home. I feel i could have been luckier in life had i not been thinking negatively .....i have missed out on many golden opportunities just because i thought i could not do it ...and later found someone very average do the same thing with much ease.
The factor which makes difference for success in this world is the drive within to achieve ones goals ....not abstract characterization of sigma 1,2,3.
i have a job today, i may not have it tomorrow ...but as long as i have this drive within me to incessantly look for my goals i will not feel negative about envirinment around me. No matter how gloomy the outlook maybe in other's eyes.
As for the condition of the construction industry here i was just quoting the facts that there is an unprecendented growth in capital construction projects on most corporations because of low interest rates and increase in demands. On top of the ongoing frenzy in construction commodities market, govt of ontario is undertaking a $2b project for infrastructure overhaul of water and waste water treatment plants all over the province. The biggest challenge the govt mentioned while launching the project was to find the skilled and management manpower to do the work. This is just one project. there are many mega projects ongoing and more sitting on the drawing boards because of the boom right now.
I am not saying that any person in construction industry who comes to toronto will surely land a job, but given the market conditions ...this is the best times for construction industry in many years .
Goodluck to all!!
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