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Posted on: 25-11-04 02:20:55
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Cren I dont think alot of readers are interested in r rantings .
Yeah I do have 2 sound dramatic coz u r sounding like a rolling stone now !! Where r ur numbers dude ??? y dont u come up with them so that v can have an understanding of ur perception ???
If u think ur rebuttal 2 Chandresh / deep or windsor guy was reasonable think again .........:d
BTW here s ur link ..... I knew u d ask . 
.FYI during 99-00 when Indians going 2 US was on the high US had 2 increase the H1B limit by 2 times. If u ve observed the trend u d find Indians topping the list for the past 5 years.
http://india.eu.org/1251.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=610505
UK................. HSMP ............... Canada .Its by far easier 2 get a Canadian PR as compared 2 HSMP and for that reason Aussie 2 . Canadian is the easiest. Now dont ask me stats for that please.
I have already placed my quals and exp on the board and I dont think they are any less than urs. BTW u havent answered me previously what r ur qualifications and expereince ....... readers can associate more with u after knowing u better. ..... personally wondering since u spend so much time on the forum wonder how much u spend on ur job .
Instead of ridiculing others and coming back 2 ur own not-so-good tricks for which u ve received words of caution over and over again please provide us with ur nos --- as 2 the indians who would b able 2 cough up 7.5 lacs. Dunno y r u skirting the issue ??? What do u say 1 million , 2 million , 3 million.............. :d
Well CAD100 000 coupled with a Bank backing of double that amount is a sizable amount yeah ??? . I dont see any opportunity plain and simple its just an option as much as is Bangalore and Middle East . And yes the job promises have indeed crashed or else I d b there by now !!!
South of the border they have ten times the jobs , this side they dont have .... South of the Border Engineers dont work as labor / menial jobs ..... this side they do in alarming numbers ........ South of the border an average Indian's salary s double that of an average Indian here .
Manasvi.
Manasvi
You are the guy who has been ranting against Canada!
One day you say 80% of professionals work in Tim Horton's here, that 'consultant-misportrayed-dreams' crash within the first 30 days of landing, next day you say you want to come here as well!
Your link to the H1B's shows 30k Indians out of 65k total. However, in your initial posts you've said greater than 50%. That was inaccurate!
Obviously there are no reliable statistics as regards bank balances. I'm not about to go around posting inaccurate statistics like you do! The only reason I got into the statistics was because you said that 150 million Indians could immigrate to Canada if they wanted to!
The rest of your post is all blah blah blah.......your usual whining against Canada.......which of course brings me to the point that the original poster made in a general sense - "if you dislike Canada, why don't you just abandon your plans of coming here (people who are also free to leave if they want to)"?
The only things relevant to this thread are:
1. You whine so much about Canada, YET you still want to come here.
2. There are tons of people that are here in Canada, but don't want to leave........
If things were so bad, can you shed some light on why they don't want to leave? (please share your infinite wisdom with us) 
Oh yeah, and Jake was just expressing his views on this board in much the same way that Kap does ......why do you have a problem with that?
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Orginally posted by Manasvi
Lets see Kap. Crenshaw is quite muted in his responses nowadays. You go and call him foolish. What do you expect in return?
U r some kind of supporter / spokesman for Crenshaw ....... ??? . Observed u referring him b4 also .........I thought 1 wud ve better things 2 do !!
U call a spade a spade man !!
Manasvi .
Manasvi .
Manasavi,
Your personal dislike's(or desperation/billigerence) are getting in the way of an objective judgement. You are losing your respect in the bargin. Arent you making a mistake focussing on a negative? Was what I told KAP wrong in the context of this thread?. Calm down to think!
I think I AM calling a spade a spade. IMO so does Crenshaw.
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Ah...here we are again!! The feud goes on unabated!?? Don't I see some very familiar faces in the combat zone??
The OP was - "WHY DON'T THEY PACK THEIR BAGS AND GO HOME?".
The discussion has devolved into the usual spat of Canada being bad/good!
Sticking to the OP, IMO people do not go back for two reasons.
1.When someone leaves his job and country, the messages generated are:
a. I am worth more than what I have got in this country .
b. I am educated and competent. I will be certainly better off in Canada.
c. I am courageous. I am a winner. I shall win!!
Having left his country with such notions, can be compared somewhat like going into battle.
If now he goes back, will it not be a huge embarrassment? It would be like having succumbing to defeat! Won't people consider him a loser? People will point and say - "So many people go to Canada! No one comes back. He is the only one who couldn't get anything!"
These and similar thoughts do not allow him to go back!
While the above is the primary reason, there are other secondary reasons too. The possibility of failing to find a job back home. The smaller but recognizable benefits of continuing to remain here, like children's schooling and better future for them, the efficiency and comforts of a developed country etc.
And so our immigrant continues to slog, grumbling but not going back!!
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To counter the ‘embarrassment’ of being labelled a ‘loser’ back in India, some people resort to saying that Canada is ONLY meant for average people who have nowhere else to go!
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
To counter the ‘embarrassment’ of being labelled a ‘loser’ back in India, some people resort to saying that Canada is ONLY meant for average people who have nowhere else to go!
I am not sure I understand.
Would you please care to clarify, who is the “some people” you refer that have said it is an “embarrassment” to be “labelled a ‘loser’ back in India” AND have said that “Canada is ONLY meant for average people who have nowhere else to go!”??
The first part of the statement was mine, replying to the OP, and the second part is YOUR ASSUMPTION of what YOU thought Manasvi said.
Perhaps you are referring to the following exchange between you and Manasvi which was like:
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Orginally posted by Manasvi
The whole scenario changes when u find the top bracket Indians (10 to 15% who are well educated, professionals and the best of Indians (yet the average in their own class) reach Canada and land up amongst the lowest rung of Canadians doing menial jobs !!! Thats a paradox !! .
To which you replied thus:
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Orginally posted by Crenshaw
1. You are mistaken if you suggest that only people who come to Canada are average professionals who are ‘going nowhere’ in their careers. That may reflect your perception of your own skills and capabilities, certainly does not reflect ALL professionals.
First of all, you are dragging a notion out of context. I do not see the word “ALL” anywhere in Manasvi’s post. Would you care to to elaborate what led you to think he was saying “ALL” when he didn’t? Talking, or arguing, from extreme positions like ALWAYS/NEVER, ALL/NONE can neither lead to a useful debate nor conclusions. In fact, even when such words do make an appearance, it makes more sense to interpret them as less than what they may mean mathematically! Better still, in case of doubt, ask and confirm!
Having got that out of the way, I tend to agree with the notion that while most immigrants that come to Canada from India may be qualified professionals, and may belong in the top <10% bracket of their country’s population, they are actually “average” in their class. What I say is borne out by simple observation. If you were to take a sample survey of people graduating from the premier institutes, almost none would be found vying to try and get into Canada. As an example, engineers graduating from IITs, either move to the US for their post grad and eventual GC, or go for Management degrees from the better institutes of India, after which they are eagerly lapped up by the many coveted MNCs, or go for jobs right away in one of the well known companies of India. Look around, and tell me how many IIT/IIM grads can you spot that have come here right after their graduation?? And why should they?? It makes no sense to come to this country when the other options available to them guarantee a better life style and career for themselves whether in India or the US!
I know you can present me with a sprinkling of IIT/IIM grads here, but then who said that IIT grads can never be ‘average’?? The point I am trying to make is that people who have truly achieved success in India are not afflicted by any of the issues that make Canada so attractive for the rest. Power, water, infrastructure, roads, education, life-style, money, whatever – either they are not touched by the shortage of it or they can afford it in abundance.
Of course, please remember, my views are limited to “professionals” only! They have nothing to do with people in business or trade.
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