Posted on: 29-06-05 12:29:32
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Orginally posted by zCool
What part of let's close this thread don't you guyz understand?
omg..sure! We cannot afford to disobey can we
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Orginally posted by zCool
I mean if I can't get people to agree on basic facts then socialist brainwashing on Indian folks is so well-done that there is no hope.. so why waste time
Sure thing you say it we accept it. Anything else we SHOULD do?
Terrorism is one thing and your rants are another. Clubbing everything into one big saffron problem is as ignorant as those skinheads killing sikhs after 9/11.
800 million will soon reach 1 billion. Thats why I said 'almost' billion. Apart from that the Hindu culture is alive and well even in the day to day living of other religions in India. However, that point is sorely missed when one goes off in rants and equates their neo-nationalistic ideology to a culture. Perhaps some education is in order to figure out what the 'hindu culture' actually is before one seeks to defend it. I've got news or you...it aint all saffron!
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Orginally posted by zCool
No I am not expecting 800 Million hindus to be converted or killed (BTW it's not 1 billion.. get your facts straight..
You'd better get your facts straight.........
Estimated number of Hindus in India = 890 million
Hindus in Nepal = 23 million
Hindus in Bangladesh = 15 million
You'd also have to add several million that live in the US, Canada, Europe as well as countries such as Fiji, the countries of the Carribean, etc.
Basically the number is a lot closer to 1 billion than it is to 800 million.
Now get back to your regular scheduled b*tch*ng.........
Mr Zcool........you'r making me work overtime on this one now....alright lets see if you can understand what I have to say this time coz obviously you have no idea what I am talking about and by the way have you met a muslim with the name "azazf"? so dont just assume!
Now moving forward to disintegrating your comments,
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Orginally posted by zCool
What part of let's close this thread don't you guyz understand?
As far as comments by Azazf go.. well those are typical knee-jerk defensice posture of every muslim anytime people want to discuss anything related to Islamic terrorism..
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where in my entire post did you see me defending islamic terrorism?
I think i did stick to the reservation point in my post for the most part .
Now i understand why threads like this are locked .....Because people like "ZCOOL" obviously dont stick to the point and start shooting in the dark and start digging up degraded corspy points which have been used every time. (You remind me of wife when i argue with her).
Anyways moving forward
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Orginally posted by zCool
so I am not gonna be enticed into mu-slinging by someone who obviously isn't interested in discussion.. coz first requirement of that is having open mind.. and this guy obviously doesn't have it..
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Are you actually saying that I dont have an "OPEN MIND"!!!!!!!
Look who is talking!
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Orginally posted by zCool
You don't need total genocide for culture to die.. just look at Indonesia or Kashmir .. remanants of ancient hindu culture are everywhere just under the surface..
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If I know correctly the Indian civilasation is older than Indonesia and everything is still there
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Orginally posted by zCool
invaders like Tipu Sultan and Akbar are being taught as if they are Heros.. Heros like Rana-Pratap and Shivaji are relegated to local insignificance thro' gov't.
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I dont know what school you went or whether you even went to any school but I correctly remember being taught a "FULL CHAPTER" on shivaji. One of the airport in bombay is called shivaji international airport. We have statues of shivaji on a major intersection and there are a couple societies named after him. As for Rana pratap we studied him in history too and If I am correct his name is in a couple of patriotic songs too.
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Orginally posted by zCool
and now even to say I am a Hindu is considered Funadamentalist!! No one wants to fight old battles and turn back history but if you just deny it.. you will only invite more aggression..
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No I dont think you are a fundamentalist its just probably that you are bitter and there is a lot of rage inside you towards other religions.
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Orginally posted by zCool
So far as Bush is concerned.. ALL THE POWER TO HIM.. !! What are americans supposed to do..? condemn terrorism in strongest terms like we do back home and keep denying Islamic terrorism?? No Way jose..!! Atleast someone in civilized world is taking a stand against barbasic philisophy of Islamic Fundamentalism.. May God Bless Him! and Americans who are once again fighting the biggest danger to civilization in this century! ____________________________________________________________
For your information, there was a huge difference between the kind of votes that bush and kerry got.......majority of the younger generation voted for kerry and the older folk,the more conservative and the people with the God bless america and no place else mentality voted more for bush. I can clearly see which group you belong to.....A group who wages war on false pretexts. I agree and support him for his hunt for binladen and his attack on afghanistan although it was a bit too much but i think that is justifiable but thats it.
Bush is all praises for pakistan so I guess you agree on that too!!!
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Orginally posted by zCool
i know it won't be last word.. so I hope moderator locks this tread too..
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Chickens mah deah ...............pakaak pak pak pak pak pak and now you will hear echos in your dreams.
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Orginally posted by zCool
I mean if I can't get people to agree on basic facts then socialist brainwashing on Indian folks is so well-done that there is no hope.. so why waste time
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Do you even listen to yourself at any point and time?? I think you should it will save you some embarrassing moments in your lifetime. But then you probably dont even know what embarrassing is.
You should know we Indians have become a little more educated than we were in the past...we can actually think on our own you know so dont stress your self too much and think for us, gone are the days when a guy would take a loan for a hundred rupees and pay interest on it for the rest of his life. is that why you are so bitter now that your means of general merriment from others misery have stopped.
You think you are wasting your time already.............theres a lot to be learnt from here.
On a personal note......zcool bhaiya...... dil pe mat lena bacha samaj ke maaf kar dena.
And like Your bush guy says "BRING IT ON"
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"Progress comes from deviation".
On a side note if anybody finds my comments or posts offensive or irritating please ignore it and if that still bothers you; please write to me and I will demonstrate.
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For your information, there was a huge difference between the kind of votes that bush and kerry got.......majority of the younger generation voted for kerry and the older folk,the more conservative and the people with the God bless america and no place else mentality voted more for bush. I can clearly see which group you belong to.....A group who wages war on false pretexts. I agree and support him for his hunt for binladen and his attack on afghanistan although it was a bit too much but i think that is justifiable but thats it.
Bush is all praises for pakistan so I guess you agree on that too!!!
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I think you may be jumping the gun to say that bring conservative in america means "no place else" mentality. Regardless, I am not sure there is anything wrong with that attitude. Americans like their country.. more power to them.. I think there was a split in the younger population. It is no longer true that younger folks in the US are democrats. Even Bill Clinton was not a democrat in its true sense. Conservatives have been on the rise for the past 12 years.. they will continue to be so.
Just remember.. the US "praised" pakistan during the Afgan conflict as well.. and US forgot about pakistan for 10 years.
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Regardless, I am not sure there is anything wrong with that attitude. Americans like their country.. more power to them.. _
I'm ok with that, less than ideal but we are not ready for utopia yet...like we had another debate some time back...its finally about self interest. Republican or democrat...US self interest is always supreme. We always elect our leaders for that purpose. I dont think India would be any different. Our Raw agents are active in pakistan, nepal and elsewhere.
The right and left are useful components for the above purposes. However, in India...we often seem to aim inwards...at our own people..sometimes with the help of the state govts. That does not make the country any stronger.
Unlike what the guys in the Kakhi shorts say, Rana Pratap and Shivaji are not the main reasons why hinduism is still flourishing. One of the biggest reasons hinduism survived various onslaughts, and went through various reform movements, was due to personalities like Shri Adishankaracharya, Aurobindo, Ramanuja, Vallabha, etc. If not for them hinduism, would probably have suffered a major decline at various times in Indias history.
However it is interesting to note that none of these had to resort to the sword or militancy to give rise to the various reform movements. What they did instead was rely on the fundamentals of hinduism and educating the masses about the same. They understood that the essence of hinduism was strong enough to hold steadfast even under the greatest of threats. I for one think that many of the ideas expoused by Christ have roots in Vedic scriptures.
"Hinduism.....gave itself no name, because it set itself no sectarian limits; it claimed no universal adhesion, asserted no sole infallible dogma, set up no single narrow path or gate of salvation; it was less a creed or cult than a continuously enlarging tradition of the God ward endeavor of the human spirit. An immense many-sided and many staged provision for a spiritual self-building and self-finding, it had some right to speak of itself by the only name it knew, the eternal religion, Santana Dharma...." (Aurobindo)
I'm afraid that the current upholders of 'hindu culture' are in the process of taking away the greatest strengths of hinduism by making it subservient to their dogmatic ideology. In my view it is they who are a real threat to hinduism rather than any other internal/external enemy. I hope they choose the path of the earlier hindu revivalists before they destroy what they think they defend and thus causing the very thing that they fear others will do. I hope the defenders do not ultimately cause the 'Sanatana Dharma' to be less than eternal and continuous.
Hinduism probably needs more Shri Vallabhs and Aurobindos than KS Sudharshans.
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Orginally posted by bxmca
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For your information, there was a huge difference between the kind of votes that bush and kerry got.......majority of the younger generation voted for kerry and the older folk,the more conservative and the people with the God bless america and no place else mentality voted more for bush. I can clearly see which group you belong to.....A group who wages war on false pretexts. I agree and support him for his hunt for binladen and his attack on afghanistan although it was a bit too much but i think that is justifiable but thats it.
Bush is all praises for pakistan so I guess you agree on that too!!!
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I think you may be jumping the gun to say that bring conservative in america means "no place else" mentality. Regardless, I am not sure there is anything wrong with that attitude. Americans like their country.. more power to them.. I think there was a split in the younger population. It is no longer true that younger folks in the US are democrats. Even Bill Clinton was not a democrat in its true sense. Conservatives have been on the rise for the past 12 years.. they will continue to be so.
Just remember.. the US "praised" pakistan during the Afgan conflict as well.. and US forgot about pakistan for 10 years.
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May be I might be jumping the gun coz i cannot tolerate imbeciles trying to portray united states is superior and better than canada all the time, i am tired of that mentality. If anybody comes to me and tells me that the states treats immigrants better than canada then i shall probably change my mindset on that (No im not talking about finding a job is better and all that) but im a 100% confident that thats not the case.
So quoting the pakistan statment u wrote what i can interpret is that america is manipulating pakistan .
Secondly when you have a split you always have a majority, a minority and may be a section of undecided, hence my statement that majority voted for kerry, it could be 50.1% but it still is a majority.
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I think you may be jumping the gun to say that bring conservative in america means "no place else" mentality. Regardless, I am not sure there is anything wrong with that attitude. Americans like their country.. more power to them..
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I am totally sure now that people like you are the reason why we have an unbalanced world with rich and the poor. So many people dying of poverty and hunger. I guess then according to you the people doing the LIVE 8 concert are stupid that they wanna make poverty history.what a bunch of morons eh!
This was the the meaning of my "no place else mentality', where i can make nuclear weapons but if you india makes it then we dont wanna do business with you, we will make sure we make you an outcast.
Bxmca.........if this is not what you interpreted than i'll take back what i said.
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"Progress comes from deviation".
On a side note if anybody finds my comments or posts offensive or irritating please ignore it and if that still bothers you; please write to me and I will demonstrate.
I'm afraid that the current upholders of 'hindu culture' are in the process of taking away the greatest strengths of hinduism by making it subservient to their dogmatic ideology. In my view it is they who are a real threat to hinduism rather than any other internal/external enemy. I hope they choose the path of the earlier hindu revivalists before they destroy what they think they defend and thus causing the very thing that they fear others will do. I hope the defenders do not ultimately cause the 'Sanatana Dharma' to be less than eternal and continuous.
Hinduism probably needs more Shri Vallabhs and Aurobindos than KS Sudharshans.
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I couldnt have said it better. I agree with you.
