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Posted on: 29-11-08 20:29:17
Guys, do you want to know what they preach in the mosques funded by Wahabbis from Saudi Arabia?
they live among us and plan jihad against us. This has nothing to do Palestine/Kashmir anything else.
Watch this video shot undecover in an UK mosque
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2668560761490749816&ei=ZdwxSc74L4ig-AGZ4YHiDQ&q=undercover+mosque&hl=en" target="_blank">http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2668560761490749816&ei=ZdwxSc74L4ig-AGZ4YHiDQ&q=undercover+mosque&hl=en
How they tell it is ok to kill infidels. In Islam violence against muslim innocents is prohibited but not against on non-muslims.
According to them once you become muslim, you should not be allowed to change religion. If you change they will kill you
Living in a multicultural society, this is what they preach:
"You have to live like a state within a state... until you take over"
(watch the video)
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Under cover mosque
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2668560761490749816&ei=ZdwxSc74L4ig-AGZ4YHiDQ&q=undercover+mosque&hl=en" target="_blank">http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2668560761490749816&ei=ZdwxSc74L4ig-AGZ4YHiDQ&q=undercover+mosque&hl=en
The reason all extremists Muslims hate Bush is not because of Iraq. It is because Bush knows their plans of Global Jihad, their desire to occupy all countries and create a caliphate in those countries
Read the following article:
Bin Laden-inspired group wants Asian caliphate
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5258501.ece" target="_blank">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5258501.ece</a>
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Under cover mosque
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2668560761490749816&ei=ZdwxSc74L4ig-AGZ4YHiDQ&q=undercover+mosque&hl=en" target="_blank">http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2668560761490749816&ei=ZdwxSc74L4ig-AGZ4YHiDQ&q=undercover+mosque&hl=en
I request all the Indian Muslims who happened to attend similar mosques here in Canada reject those extremist teachings. Report about these extremist Imams to CSIS.
Let us ensure safety of the place and country we live in
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2668560761490749816&ei=ZdwxSc74L4ig-AGZ4YHiDQ&q=undercover+mosque&hl=en" target="_blank">http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2668560761490749816&ei=ZdwxSc74L4ig-AGZ4YHiDQ&q=undercover+mosque&hl=en
I also request all non-muslims not to start hating all Muslims.
All Muslims are not extremist, all Muslims do not follow Wahhabi brand of Islam.
Many times Muslims are victims too (read the following story about the 20 year old girl Ameena Begum killed by Mumbai terrorists)
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Hyderabad/My_daughter_died_in_my_hands_Ameenas_mother/articleshow/3774460.cms" target="_blank">http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Hyderabad/My_daughter_died_in_my_hands_Ameenas_mother/articleshow/3774460.cms</a>
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Under cover mosque
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2668560761490749816&ei=ZdwxSc74L4ig-AGZ4YHiDQ&q=undercover+mosque&hl=en" target="_blank">http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2668560761490749816&ei=ZdwxSc74L4ig-AGZ4YHiDQ&q=undercover+mosque&hl=en
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
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Originally posted by shuja
Again what makes you assume that they had anything to do with Islam.
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I think you lose all credibility when you make a point like this. What assumption? They were islamic fundamentalists, period! And these fundamentalists are the worst form of cancer on the planet right now.
Yes, I did delete the threads that started generalizing about all muslims, because it is wrong. Almost as wrong as being in denial that these terrorists were muslim and that fundamentalism is a bigger problem in Islam than any other religion by far.
Political correctness (or love for your own religion) shouldn't lead to myopia, otherwise you become part of the problem. You're only part of the solution if you can call a spade a spade.
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I would have credited you with more intellectual depth. By Islam I meant a person calling himself muhammed and shooting ten people on streets does not make him signify Islamic values and Islamic teachings.
What is the word "ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM". What do you mean by that term. A hindu following his religion will be called a Hindu Fundamentalist What rubbish.....
You bring forward links of some vidoes edited beyond recognition. I too can attach such links all it needs time for me to search on google. Have you studied what Islam is that you label someone an Islamic Fundamentalist.
All you know are certain points drilled into you by propaganda and media.
There are practises in Hinduism that are deplorable like sati which are still followed in parts of India and there are practises followed by muslim which are deplorable.
I am happy that there was someone who took the trouble to look at the history of Hilter and Nazism this is what I wanted from him. The people you judge as Islamic fundamentalist are having their own agenda's which has nothing to do with Islam or its teachings.
Though I seem alone in my thoughts on this thread but I am still discussing with you because I have faith in mans intellect and reasoning.
So come to me with open thoughts and not narrow minded whims and ideas.
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Originally posted by shuja
The people you judge as Islamic fundamentalist are having their own agenda's which has nothing to do with Islam or its teachings.
Though I seem alone in my thoughts on this thread but I am still discussing with you because I have faith in mans intellect and reasoning.
You are not alone. If you read my posts I have said that your community has to do the heavy lifting to make it known to everyone that this has nothing to do with Islam and its teachings.
I do differ with you when you play on semantics and say they are not Islamic Fundamentalists. Maybe I would call them islamic extremists/terrorists. They are so.
They are not just a muslim following his/her religion. In todays world if a christian says that god has ordained that christians are the true 'people of god' and the way to implement gods will is to kill all who disagree...he is a christian extremist/terrorist.
Similarly a Hindu who would kill others to 'protect/serve/advance' hinduism would be a hindu extremist/terrorist.
You cannot ignore that they use islam to further their own agenda and extreme views on how to promote 'true islam'. Unfortunate but true. If you do not agree and blame the media or others you would only be fooling yourself.
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Originally posted by shuja
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
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Originally posted by shuja
Again what makes you assume that they had anything to do with Islam.
????
I think you lose all credibility when you make a point like this. What assumption? They were islamic fundamentalists, period! And these fundamentalists are the worst form of cancer on the planet right now.
Yes, I did delete the threads that started generalizing about all muslims, because it is wrong. Almost as wrong as being in denial that these terrorists were muslim and that fundamentalism is a bigger problem in Islam than any other religion by far.
Political correctness (or love for your own religion) shouldn't lead to myopia, otherwise you become part of the problem. You're only part of the solution if you can call a spade a spade.
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I would have credited you with more intellectual depth. By Islam I meant a person calling himself muhammed and shooting ten people on streets does not make him signify Islamic values and Islamic teachings.
What is the word "ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM". What do you mean by that term. A hindu following his religion will be called a Hindu Fundamentalist What rubbish.....
You bring forward links of some vidoes edited beyond recognition. I too can attach such links all it needs time for me to search on google. Have you studied what Islam is that you label someone an Islamic Fundamentalist.
All you know are certain points drilled into you by propaganda and media.
There are practises in Hinduism that are deplorable like sati which are still followed in parts of India and there are practises followed by muslim which are deplorable.
I am happy that there was someone who took the trouble to look at the history of Hilter and Nazism this is what I wanted from him. The people you judge as Islamic fundamentalist are having their own agenda's which has nothing to do with Islam or its teachings.
Though I seem alone in my thoughts on this thread but I am still discussing with you because I have faith in mans intellect and reasoning.
So come to me with open thoughts and not narrow minded whims and ideas.
I ( though I am a Hindu) hate those Hindus, who preach hatred . Examples are demolition of the Mask, Assassination of Gandhi ji, who tried to favor Muslims in India, and Pakistan as a nation.
I hate other s rarely ,Examples are bombing air India flight , Tanishka , killing and taking the Indian Air lines to Kandahar, 9/11 attacks on USA , several attacks in Bombay both the past and today , attacking Hindu temple in Ahmadabad and Godhra incident .
We lost Rajiv Gandhi for meddling in Srilanka. Still some support LTTE in India.
The recent attack on Bombay has deviated the focus from the Marata- North Indian conflict .the anger is on external animy .
All Muslims in India were Hindus, who accepted to Islam in the past generation(s).This equally applicable to all other religions in India. This happened only due to the fact Hindus are always known for tolerance. I don’t think every one is a dissident of Akbar. Even then he would be half Hindu.
Hindu is a word coined and used upon inhabitants of Bharat. Mis informed are calling themselves Hindus, what is known as native way of living. No temple /a religion sect have any control on any Indian how to pray God. We pray 30000000 ways. We are so rich in Gods. When we are in senses we see God in every living and non living thing. The only bag thing about Hindus is discrimination of its people in terms of castes. The same things can be said about the various sects in Islam. Pakistan has had many shia – sunny fights / discrimination.
Coming to Sati- it was an Indian tradition when a warrior dies , his wife also dies on the same fire. In other communities the widow is possessed by some others. So this social problem was solved by either way in different parts of world.
Raja Rammohan rai brought the reform and the British has made a law against the Sati and being followed since. We have had few cases in the past 20 years. I dint think any Indian likes Sati. It is the in –laws forced that on the widow for various reasons, mainly poverty.
India is the only country in the world has so many from minority communities become presidents, captains of various sports / celebrities in various walks of life. They would not have achieved if they were born in other countries of their religion or India is not a secular country. If Obama is an Indain and contesting for Indian presidency he would not need to tell the world that he is a Christian. That is India.
My question is,
is there any law in the modern Muslim world that stops marrying more than one women. (Pl don’t remind me that Karunanidhi and Actor Dharmendra have two wives each )?
I like Indian Muslim celebrities from film s , sports , arts , and sciences’ come out and tell the world that they hate the LeT/ Mujahidins/ISI/Taliban/ Al quaida. It is to the benefit of their community.
With all the limitations, you as a Muslim have come out to condemn the militants -is no doubt commendable. Many of your views are agreeable. I understand it would be frustrating for any patriotic Indian like you, because Pakistan does not understand the Indian Muslim. For that matter in Arab world Indian / Pakistan Muslim are inferior. However Muslims from Indian sub continent consider them selves more loyal than queen.
Every bomb that explodes in any part of the world is now suspected as from Islamic fundamentalist, unless proved otherwise.
Why Pakistan has bankrupted despite of its single religion? Islam has been hijacked by Islamic fundamentalists in Pakistan and its national businesses are run by its militants and or military. What a shame to beg for money from China (who don’t believe in God) and denied by the country who think that they are patrons of Islam.
The change has to come within the Muslim world. No one can impose on them.
I will withdraw my words, if they hurt any body/religion .They are not meant for that.
http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21371§ionid=4&issueid=82&Itemid=1
Hospital staff say they saw women militants
Mumbai, November 30, 2008
Hospital staff say they saw women militantsThe Mumbai terrorists, it seems, were all not young men in their twenties. The city police believe women were also involved in the worst militant attack India has ever seen.
Many witnesses, including the employees of Cama Hospital, which was one of the places targeted by the terrorists, have claimed that the men were helped by women in burqas. They not only provided logistical support but also fired indiscriminately.
Following the shocking disclosure, the Mumbai Police are now probing the role of a women's team that participated in the terror strikes. According to some employees of Cama Hospital, a burqa-clad woman had also opened fire along with two of her male colleagues on Wednesday night. Several independent witnesses have also claimed that the militants were accompanied by women.
The police now suspect many women were involved in the attacks. These women, say the police, were not mere assistants to their male colleagues - they were probably even part of planning and executing the strikes. Initially, the police suspected the male terrorists of wearing burqas to confuse the police. But as they reconstructed the events, they realised that the men didn't have the time to don burqas with the police chasing them. \"Why would they waste time to dress up in a burqa? They hadn't covered their faces while striking at the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (CST) and many people had seen them. Also, we have not recovered any burqa from any of the encounter scenes,\" said a top Mumbai police official.
The police are also investigating if some terrorists were wearing uniforms of the hotel staff before going on a killing spree. In the meantime, the police have learnt that at least some of the terrorists had stayed in Mumbai earlier. In fact, they had been preparing for the attacks for the past one year. All of them had fake identities. For example, one of the terrorists killed in the Oberoi carried an I-Card of Rahul Patil from the Hyderabad Defence Institute. The I-Card of the other militant claimed him to be Manish Kumar from Ghaziabad. The police officer said a kitchen staff at the Taj Mahal Hotel was also under suspicion - he had secured the job by allegedly showing a British passport. At least two of the terrorists, he said, were guests at the hotel and had brought in plenty of ammunition months before the actual shootout. This explains why the terrorists at CST had only limited weapons while those at the Taj and Oberoi hotels possessed a huge cache of arms and ammunition.
The witness accounts also raise questions about Maharashtra chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh's assertion that there were only 10 terrorists - nine of whom were killed and one arrested. The CM's 10-terrorists theory also does not explain how there were blasts in two taxis at an equal number of locations. The attacks have caused another embarrassment for the authorities in Gujarat and Mumbai. It is now learnt that Damodar Tandel, a leader of the fishermen in Mumbai, had warned about the possibility of RDX landing on the coast and terrorists using the route to launch attacks. \"I had warned the deputy chief minister and a few officials from the maritime security department in August but nothing was done,\" said Tandel. Tandel had received information about some 'foreigners' being seen on the Gujarat coastline. \"Devabhai Bhagat, a union leader of the fishermen in Gujarat, had told me that some suspicious people were being seen in their area. The Gujarat government also ignored his warnings,\" said Tandel.
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