Brazilian shot dead on the London subway
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Posted on: 25-07-05 17:09:57
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Heard this on the TV.
"We would shoot a suspected person in the area that is most likely to disable his brains, and hence any chance of him detonating a bomb".
Obviously if they shot him in the leg, he might still have pulled a string or something.
Quite pathetic. These are the Britons who till before the bombing had been so critical of the tough steps being taken in USA and now they have actually done something so stupid.
whats pathetic? that they actually shot him or that they took the decision to do so?
What is really stupid is that the Brits allowed a certain element with vested interests(those radical imams) to spread hatred. Now innocents pay the price.
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Orginally posted by Ottawa_Nerd
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that when you are in a war zone, you should follow the rules of war...
What are the rules of WAR?
When in a terrorist zone, make sure you always keep a low profile...Secondly, this guy actually ran away from the police when he was asked to raise his hands and stop...NEVER DO THAT.... of cos.."Friendly JIHADI's" from a particular community would not like to do that..so they will run...
Thirdly...this guy (acc. to BBC) was on an expired visa....So u see he was really shit outta luck !
I want Canada also to implement similar rules...Tough rules..very tough rules..and beat these Jihadis and their sympathizers at their own game !
Are you making up the rules....Doesnt matter what a person does, there has to be a more solid reason for law enforcement to take such extreme action? If a person keeps running , thats not enough reeason to shoot him 8 times, when clearly he didnt seem to be armed. Running away is a defensive action. The guy ran where he could.
The suspicion based on dress is not quite there. As said above one can suspect a person for almost anything then.
The police acted more like a Mob would.
We are as of now still not sure of his status. Jack straw says he belives the guy was in legally.
This guy doesnt even look Asian:
In Britain and Europe the reasons for terrorism is more than just disconetment with wetsern foreign policy. Economic reasons seems to be playing a big role as to why some immigrants (actually a very tiny number) turn out the way they do.
That doesnt mean it wont happen in Canada, but the chances are very little.
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whats pathetic? that they actually shot him or that they took the decision to do so?
What is really stupid is that the Brits allowed a certain element with vested interests(those radical imams) to spread hatred. Now innocents pay the price.
I meant its pathetic that they are overreacting.
Look , the imams and the friendly Jihadis and the rest are the symptom, not the cause of terrorism.
Tony Blair and the Mayor of London , among others have said that the reason for terrorism is or has been western foreign policy, recent and some not so recent.
The sooner policy makers realize this the better.
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Orginally posted by mercury6
I meant its pathetic that they are overreacting..
huh! being convinced that someone acting suspicious in the light of the events of the preceding week is overeacting? If he WAS a bomber then what? He certainly acted like he was guilty.
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Look , the imams and the friendly Jihadis and the rest are the symptom, not the cause of terrorism.
Tony Blair and the Mayor of London , among others have said that the reason for terrorism is or has been western foreign policy, recent and some not so recent.
The sooner policy makers realize this the better.
Oh please!
Causes for disgruntlement exist in all places. These guys have professed that they want the flag of islam flying not only over britan but the whole world. This was long before Iraq...9/11, afghanistan etc.
Its about time people stopped blaming bad childhoods and look at the ideology of groups like alqaeda. Any appeasment of these folk will only lead to more trouble in the future. An islamic empire stretching from Spain to Indonesia is in their short term vision.
People tried to appease Hitler too.
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Oh please!
Causes for disgruntlement exist in all places. These guys have professed that they want the flag of islam flying not only over britan but the whole world. This was long before Iraq...9/11, afghanistan etc.
Its about time people stopped blaming bad childhoods and look at the ideology of groups like alqaeda. Any appeasment of these folk will only lead to more trouble in the future. An islamic empire stretching from Spain to Indonesia is in their short term vision.
People tried to appease Hitler too.
Ok, keep popping the zits (terrorists) instead of treating it at its core (Policy).
Of course the first is unavoidable now, but you would have to do something about the latter, sooner than later.
BTW, 911, Iraq and Afhganistan are very recent events.
You would have to go to WWI to understand how things have shaped up in the Mid-East (or the correct term would West Asia).
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http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1677202005
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POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
JACK Straw, the Foreign Secretary, yesterday stepped back from his earlier denials that the war on Iraq had nothing to do with the terror attacks in London.
The Prime Minister, Tony Blair, was believed to be incensed at Mr Straw's refusal to admit that the two events could be linked last week, as he believed this clashed with wider public opinion.
Political sensitivities over the bombings are at an all-time high and were underlined by a poll which showed that support for Mr Blair's handling of the crisis had dropped by 14 per cent in just two weeks.
Yesterday, Mr Straw said he did not rule out the possibility that Iraq may have increased the threat of terrorism for Britain. "It is impossible to say for certain," he told BBC radio. However, Mr Straw stressed that bombings and terrorist atrocities had been carried out long before the war on Iraq or Afghanistan.
High-level Cabinet meetings were held last week to discuss the potential political fall-out from further attacks in London.
Mr Blair was also alarmed at the comments from Mr Straw that there had been no connection between terrorism and the war in Iraq.
While the Prime Minister said that Britain would have been a terrorist target even without Britain's involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq, he feared Mr Straw's remarks may have gone too far.
The Foreign Secretary himself is believed to regret his earlier statements, telling friends he did not intend to be so dismissive of the link.
Mr Straw's predecessor, Robin Cook, however, did not mince his words. Yesterday he claimed that the invasion of Iraq had "undoubtedly" boosted terrorism around the world.
The former foreign secretary also warned that the government would have to acknowledge that link if ministers wanted to bring young British Muslims on side.
Intelligence agencies had warned the Prime Minister ahead of the war that the invasion would increase the threat to Britain, Mr Cook said.
"The problem is that we have handed al-Qaeda an immense propaganda gift, one that they exploit ruthlessly," he told the BBC News 24 Sunday programme.
"There have been more suicide bombings in the two years since we invaded Iraq than in the 20 years before it. Yes, it has happened around the world.
"I don't think you can make a simple link between any one event and Iraq, but undoubtedly it has boosted terrorism."
While Mr Cook refused to say that the bombings would not have happened if Britain had stayed out of the war, he stressed that the problem of terrorism had worsened.
It was now crucial for Mr Blair to reduce tensions in the Muslim community and one way of doing this was to set a timetable for the withdrawal of British troops from Iraq.
"The Muslim leaders who, quite rightly, are being asked to confront fundamentalism and fanaticism in their own community are also entitled to say to Tony Blair: 'You have got to help us by removing the issues that contribute to the tension,' because if there is one issue that makes it difficult for young Muslims to support this government it is Iraq," he said.
The Prime Minister was initially praised for his response after the first bombings on 7 July but confidence in his handling of the crisis since has dwindled.
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Tony Blair and the Mayor of London , among others have said that the reason for terrorism is or has been western foreign policy, recent and some not so recent.
Tony Blair actually differed with Ken Livingstone (the mayor of London) on that.
Unfortunately, the type of ‘education’ that many madrassas put out ensures that an entire generation of Muslims is being brought up with a view of perceived injustices against their community. One shouldn’t be villifying the entire community, but the sooner that changes, the better!
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