What went wrong with Immigration Policies of Canada
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Posted on: 22-09-04 20:05:47
Now, lets not get carried away shall we.......in the more than 100 posts that we've seen on this thread, your conspiracy theory has many more brickbats than bouquets.........
I can't quite see why the Canadian government would influence its immigrant policy by the need for workers at McDonald's (which is a US corporation in the first place), but I'm not going to go into that......
There's something else that actually caught my eye on your post. You talked about the NEXT STEP. From this and previous posts I gather that what you want to eventually do, is to go to court against the CIC. There are a number of issues with going that route:
- The government's budgetary resources are finite. If the goverment is going to be embroiled in court cases, it will eventually take away resources from other programs that the government runs. This could affect new immigrants - since there could be possibility that programs being conducted for them would be scrapped or curtailed - and will most certainly affect the existing population.
- Even if you do prevail in court, anti-immigrant sentiment will start to rise domestically. A similar situation existed in Australia, where a politician by the name of Pauline Hanson rose to prominence on an anti-Aboriginal, anti-Asian platform. She's been out of commission lately thanks to an election fraud conviction, but my guess is, she'll be back. The last thing you want to do is to piss enough people off to create a Canadian version of Pauline Hanson.
- If the government decides that it has to re-think its entire immigration policy all over again, the numbers of people being accepted would definitely slow down. The timelines of a lot of people in the 'queue' in India, or the Middle East, or wherever, will rise substantially overnight. We've all been in that 'queue' at some point of time or the other....and we all know how it feels.
I could go on and on writing about the ill effects of a class action law suit - but I have a lovely life here in Canada, and a lot of things to look forward to this evening - things which may not have been possible if a class action lawsuit had delayed my immigration to this country.
Jago,.
everyone has already shared their opinion on your"theory", many times over in the last 12 pages.
Did you find anyone here who was convinced by your theory and is ready to take the "Next step" with you? ...whatever that next step you have in mind maybe .
My dear friend....please take a 2nd read of all the post and you will get the picture that there are not any takers.
As to why your post attracted such enthusiastic reponse ?.... it is what i call the paan shop phenomenon.....usually in india at the nukkad paan shop when there is something sensational being discussed a big group of onlookers zero in to take their share of masala talk....however unsubstantiated the gossip maybe , everyone keeps an ear to it and enjoys it . Thats all there is to it .
There is no "next step" in the direction you are suggesting . The most proactive "next step"would be something in the line of CanadianDesi.com . ie Spread FACTUAL awareness of life in Canada among new and prospective immigrants. The goods and the bads of it, factually not theoretically.
As for the facts on retirement figures : It is not a theory ,it is a cold hard fact that 28% of ontario's workforce will be crossing the retirement age by 2010. It is a demographic reality , not a half baked theory.
But i respect your right to voice your opinions, even if it is unconvincing. I also agree that no should ridicule your english.
But if you are just conjecturing , there wont be any takers.
Jago my Friend.
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Canada could have brought labour on work permit. Your solution looks pretty simple, but if a company sponsors for a labour. They have to spend for the process charges and assure a minimum working hours of 40 or 44 weekly. And they can not just chuck them out and get new labour but have to contribute to the progress of the labour in terms of promotion etc.
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According to HRDC and CIC, "Every year over 90,000 foreign workers enter Canada working temporarily to help Canadian employers address skill shortages in Canada".
The employers have to treat them according to the Canada Labour Law. That means they are treated at par with permanent employees in terms of working hours, wages and benefits. They can be laid off. They can be asked to work fewer hours if needed. They can also quit the job and work for another employer. In other words they are not bonded.
I agree with you when you say "Current work scene of Canada is that job agencies are supplying labour to a major portion of companies, without any liability on the part of companies (ford and GM are few giants)". These workers are the most exploited lot. The agency or the company do not give them benefits like vacation, pension, health and life insurance etc. Recently this issue has been taken up for review.
Is this also form part of your conspiracy theory?
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posted by gapodi
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The matter of shame is that the skilled immigrants trying to settle themselves should be asking and learning form thsoe who have been succesfull. But instead of that they are indulging in cheap personal attacks and useless rambling.
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Can anyone tell me that Why Indians are not so successful whereas in rest of world Indians are very very successful. What Canada has so special for failure of many Indians? Can we have Kalpana chawla , here in Canada with Canadian backup?
But canada would only patronize, assist stip clubs, dancers, outcall escort agencies which can support their economy well . What they need is immigrants and their money. my impromptu survey of meeting 10 desi's everyday , not even one said that he is really happy with present situation.
So what does all positive thinkers think about it? The same questions were raised yesterday and the thread was deleted and handle was removed.
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The employers have to treat them according to the Canada Labour Law. That means they are treated at par with permanent employees in terms of working hours, wages and benefits. They can be laid off. They can be asked to work fewer hours if needed. They can also quit the job and work for another employer. In other words they are not bonded.
Teja, I dont agree with you. If you are on a work permit arranged by an employer, labour laws are not exactly the same as for PR or Canadian. They do not enjoy the basic previlege of minimum wages i.e $7.15, Believe me or check out with a person with work permit.
I am too small to be compared with Mahatma Gandhi, but if he had chose to be part of his family business and enjoyed his evening. I would have not enjoyed freedom.
Cannot senior members of this forum think beyond enjoying evenings. I can spare atleast one evening a week for betterment of the structure. If you did notice on todays news about the issue raised about waste of engineers, doctors etc......stated by a Canadian politician....is not good for Canada and Canadians.........Immigrants should use the opportunity to voice the opinion and not sit back to enjoy evening. If tomorrow of Canada is not good, your kids are not going to stick around but will look forward to move to some other continent to be exploited(may be). Struggle is not over for your family with your success.
Please note for senior members, I am not happy with quantity of response but thankful to quality opinions..........I feel lot of work frustation is let out at this forum by couple of members.
Once again I want to quote " IDEA is never right or wrong, it is the begning of change"
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posted by gapodi
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The matter of shame is that the skilled immigrants trying to settle themselves should be asking and learning form thsoe who have been succesfull. But instead of that they are indulging in cheap personal attacks and useless rambling.
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Can anyone tell me that Why Indians are not so successful whereas in rest of world Indians are very very successful. What Canada has so special for failure of many Indians? Can we have Kalpana chawla , here in Canada with Canadian backup?
But canada would only patronize, assist stip clubs, dancers, outcall escort agencies which can support their economy well . What they need is immigrants and their money. my impromptu survey of meeting 10 desi's everyday , not even one said that he is really happy with present situation.
So what does all positive thinkers think about it? The same questions were raised yesterday and the thread was deleted and handle was removed.
I think some of the successful members would be shy to answer your question. But let me repeat it for you:
a) Forget about your professional degree and Learn english from ESL school so that Canadian take you as a team member...........
b) Learn resume writting skill, interview skill and be thankful to HRDC for spending your money in advance on you
c) Attend HRDC program like CFTPT where they dont assure you employment but ensure that they remain employed
f) Don't ask about failure, go to attend ESL
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The employers have to treat them according to the Canada Labour Law. That means they are treated at par with permanent employees in terms of working hours, wages and benefits. They can be laid off. They can be asked to work fewer hours if needed. They can also quit the job and work for another employer. In other words they are not bonded.
Teja, I dont agree with you. If you are on a work permit arranged by an employer, labour laws are not exactly the same as for PR or Canadian. They do not enjoy the basic previlege of minimum wages i.e $7.15, Believe me or check out with a person with work permit.
I am quoting verbatim the HRDC guidelines to emplyers:
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As an employer, you can make the formal job offer with a written letter or with a more formal employment contract. The job offer must contain the following information:
-A job title for the job you are offering.
-A description of the job, listing duties and responsibilities.
-A list of education, skills and experience that workers must have for the job. Include a list of licenses and professional credentials.
-Details on when the job will start and end. Work permits are only issued for foreign workers who are coming to work in Canada for a limited time. If your workers are coming to live and work permanently in Canada, they must apply for permanent residence through the skilled worker program.
-Details of the salary you are offering, including wages and other forms of payment (for example: room and board or commission.) Remember that HRDC will check that the wages and working conditions you are offering are consistent with the Canadian labour market.
-The name and address of the employer, and the address where the foreign worker will be working. CIC and HRDC officers will check that your business and the job being offered are genuine. Include the name and phone number of a contact at your business who is familiar with the job offer so that CIC and HRDC can confirm the offer.
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You might be talking about illegal workers and refugees who are more prone to exploitation.
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