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Originally posted by Nightmare
You try to sound "Shani" (wise) person but it is obvious to me that you have purposefully ignored to research the reason and origin of Caste system, its original intent and basis of classification and subsequent distortion, use of caste classification by British and subsequently V.P. Singh and Christian missionaries to divide and destroy Hindu. By the way, the crimes committed by Italian or Portugese Crusaders were more heinous, violent and repulsive than Indian Caste system.
No need to look for a conspiracy here. I sound like myself. I was looking for the insider perspective of people who are from a certain community who might be interested in sharing. I am not here to pass judgement on Indian culture or history but I am entitled to think about the subject.
Whenever anyone is defensive there is always someone else or some other group who did or does something worse to use as some kind of trump card. European colonialists and settlers are hardly without blood on their hands and this forum is dedicated to discussing moving to a stolen land. The world has been recreated in industrial England's image and I'm not cheering for that. As an Irish-Canadian I don't feel particularly responsible for Italian or Portugese history. I don't think anyone is guilty of the sins of their ancestors anyway - I think we're responsible for acknowledging how we benefit from the past, how current practices/policies are related to the past, and for making things better now.
I'm not about to erase what I've just written but I've basically been trolled into giving you a longer response than any of the people who thoughtfully answered my question.
Edited to add: If I have not been clear I respect and am interested in Indian-Canadian culture. I live among thousands of immigrants and don't get much chance to learn about their perspective. I don't have to agree with every practice of every other group, everyone has their own cultural bias informing their views but I try to stay open minded and most of my posts are responding to practical topics.
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My prayer to you
Is that you do all the things you set out to do
And live your life the way you love
Thurston Moore, Psychic Hearts
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Originally posted by elmer fudd
A slightly different perspective.
http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column_caste-as-social-capital_1387350
Btw, 'caste' is a Portuguese word and is not used in India the same way as it is used in west.
Thanks for that.
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My prayer to you
Is that you do all the things you set out to do
And live your life the way you love
Thurston Moore, Psychic Hearts
Location: Western Hemisphere
Posted on: 04-04-12 07:43:10
Good response.
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Originally posted by Portia
No need to look for a conspiracy here. I sound like myself. I was looking for the insider perspective of people who are from a certain community who might be interested in sharing. I am not here to pass judgement on Indian culture or history but I am entitled to think about the subject.
Whenever anyone is defensive there is always someone else or some other group who did or does something worse to use as some kind of trump card. European colonialists and settlers are hardly without blood on their hands and this forum is dedicated to discussing moving to a stolen land. The world has been recreated in industrial England's image and I'm not cheering for that. As an Irish-Canadian I don't feel particularly responsible for Italian or Portugese history. I don't think anyone is guilty of the sins of their ancestors anyway - I think we're responsible for acknowledging how we benefit from the past, how current practices/policies are related to the past, and for making things better now.
I'm not about to erase what I've just written but I've basically been trolled into giving you a longer response than any of the people who thoughtfully answered my question.
Edited to add: If I have not been clear I respect and am interested in Indian-Canadian culture. I live among thousands of immigrants and don't get much chance to learn about their perspective. I don't have to agree with every practice of every other group, everyone has their own cultural bias informing their views but I try to stay open minded and most of my posts are responding to practical topics.
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Dimple2001
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/16/immigrants-prioritized-over-white-canadians-for-public-housing-human-rights-complaint-says/
Immigrants prioritized over ‘white’ Canadians for public housing, human-rights complaint says
Gary Dimmock, Postmedia News Apr 16, 2012 – 11:04 AM ET | Last Updated: Apr 16, 2012 11:14 AM ET
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Kirk Munroe and his family lived at the Carling Family Shelter for months last year while waiting for a public housing unit to call their own. Munroe grew frustrated with the wait after immigrant families at the shelter were offered public housing in only a “matter of weeks.”
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OTTAWA — An Ottawa man who was living in a shelter with his wife and two children took the City of Ottawa to a human-rights tribunal last month, alleging that immigrants are given priority over “white Canadians” for public housing.
Kirk Munroe and his family lived at the Carling Family Shelter for months last year while waiting for a public housing unit to call their own. Munroe grew frustrated with the wait after immigrant families at the shelter were offered public housing in only a “matter of weeks.”
In his application to Ontario’s human-rights tribunal, Munroe quoted an Ottawa public housing manager as saying “whites have less chance of getting a home and they have to stay in shelters longer than immigrants new to Canada.”
The tribunal heard that the quick turnaround time for immigrants was in “distinct contrast to the experience of white Canadian families” at the shelter, including his own, who had to wait months for housing.
A lawyer for the public housing agency denied it gives priority to immigrants, and a lawyer for the City of Ottawa told the hearing that the immigrants in question may have been victims of domestic violence, which, he said, would account for why they were offered social housing so quickly. The tribunal also heard that the public housing manager denied saying that immigrants have a better shot at getting public housing.
Eric Whist, vice-chair of the tribunal, questioned Munroe’s account of what the public housing manager told him.
“This statement, characterized as an exact quote, appears to be more of a paraphrase and one from a longer conversation. It is also not evident that this quote, even if accepted as generally accurate, indicates that Ms. Jean Louis (a tenant service manager) was communicating that the reason why whites stay in shelters longer than immigrants was because of the policy of (Ottawa public housing) or others was to give priority to immigrants over Canadian citizens,” Whist said in an interim decision dated March 12.
Munroe’s challenge against the City of Ottawa claimed he was discriminated on the basis of race, colour, disability and reprisal.
The adjudicator of the tribunal dismissed all but one of the grounds in the Munroe application. Ottawa public housing gives priority to victims of violence, the terminally ill and the homeless. The adjudicator considered the disability grounds but while Munroe was diagnosed with an undisclosed “chronic medical condition,” he was not dying and in turn did not qualify for priority housing.
But Munroe’s claims of reprisal — notably that he was subjected to “poorer treatment” in the shelter after filing an application with the tribunal — were not dismissed. In the reprisal section of his application, Munroe also says his family was transferred into the shelter’s smallest room as a punishment for complaining about being kicked out for five days because of his aggressive behaviour.
“The applicant alleged that the decision to expel him from the shelter was discriminatory in that the decision did not appropriately consider that the applicant had mental issues that contributed to the behaviours that led to his being asked to leave,” Whist said.
The lawyer for the City of Ottawa said the adequacy of rooms is an issue for almost everyone and noted that shelters are for emergency housing, not long term.
The adjudicator said Munroe has a “reasonable prospect” of proving alleged discrimination under the reprisal section of his application. The adjudicator directed Munroe to amend his application to include more details about the alleged discrimination.
Munroe could not be reached for comment and the City of Ottawa said that they have yet to receive his amended application.
There are about 15,000 people on a waiting list for public housing in Ottawa.
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http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/17/violent-racist-gang-expands-into-edmonton/
Violent racist gang expands into Edmonton
Adrian Humphreys Apr 17, 2012 – 11:25 PM ET | Last Updated: Apr 17, 2012 11:52 PM ET
Members of a Calgary neo-Nazi group, which forged a reputation as a violent racist gang, have worked for a year to replicate itself in Edmonton, and criminal charges revealed Tuesday suggest its tactics, too, have been transplanted.
Kyle McKee, 26, a leadership figure with Calgary’s Blood and Honour who spearheaded its expansion into Edmonton, is among three men arrested after two Sikh men were attacked last month.
When police searched his Calgary home on April 12, they found two shotguns, two rifles, ammunition, and numerous knives and machetes, police said. It is unlikely the stockpile took officers completely by surprise, as Mr. McKee often posed for photographs holding guns as he stands in front of large Nazi flags.
“People allow him to be the leader because, even though he is 130 pounds, everybody believes he has the potential, as we have seen in the past, to be violent.”
Mr. McKee is seen as a fanatic who often gives media interviews and seems happy to pose for pictures, modelling his skinhead chic and Nazi tattoos in front of a vast collection of Nazi regalia.
“He’s a true believer. He believes that what he is doing is right. It is all politics — violence is just politics to him,” said Brett Gundlock, a former National Post photographer who worked on a photographic documentary on neo-Nazi groups and spent months with Mr. McKee and his friends.
“He has always been the main voice and face of the movement in the area. He’s the leader, although he doesn’t officially take that title. He doesn’t like to say he’s the leader but his history shows he’s been the main, constant motivator out there.”
‘They had their march in Edmonton this year and that is where they are focusing all their efforts’
Mr. McKee has been travelling to Edmonton for more than a year bringing in new recruits. Four such acolytes were arrested in Edmonton a year ago after attacking people while out promoting a White Pride march held annually; three have since pleaded guilty.
The new arrests also coincided with the annual march.
On March 24, the rally was held in Edmonton instead of Calgary and, while waving banners and flags and most wearing face masks, members and associates of Blood and Honour marched through the city. They were confronted by anti-racist activists, who outnumbered them.
It was later that evening that two Sikh men originally from India were attacked outside of an east Edmonton liquor store.
“One of the victims, inside the store, had racial slurs directed at him. As he left the store he was confronted and assaulted. Then, during that assault, we allege one of the other accused came up and hit him in the back of the head with a full bottle of alcohol,” said Const. Smith.
The broken glass was then used to stab the victim, who was also bitten, police allege.
Mr. McKee faces 15 weapons charges and two assault-related charges.
Bernard “Bernie” Miller, 20, of Edmonton, is charged with assault with a weapon and assault causing bodily harm. He is described by police as a leading member of Blood and Honour in Edmonton.
Philip Badrock, 44, of St. Albert, an Edmonton suburb, is charged with criminal harassment and assault causing bodily harm. He is described as an associate of the group.
“They had their march in Edmonton this year and that is where they are focusing all their efforts. Kyle has been focusing his efforts on Edmonton; to try to build their chapter up there,” said Mr. Gundlock.
Mr. McKee has been involved in white pride or neo-Nazi groups for at least a decade and has often not been far from violence.
“He grew up in a pretty rough childhood in foster care,” said Mr. Gundlock. “He has been in and out of jails.”
‘He grew up in a pretty rough childhood in foster care’
Originally from Ontario, he moved to Calgary and established Aryan Guard, a white supremacist group that splintered amid infighting.
One of Mr. McKee’s old ideological comrades in the group, Tyler Sturrup, was the target of a bomb attack in 2009 for which Mr. McKee was charged with attempted murder. That charge was dropped when Mr. McKee pleaded guilty to making explosives.
Mr. Sturrup, in turn, was charged with second-degree murder last June, accused with another neo-Nazi in the beating death of Mark Mariani, 47, of Calgary, who suffered chronic health problems.
In December, Vancouver police arrested three B.C. men alleged to be Blood and Honour members, accused of have committed a string of physical attacks on non-whites.
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Sunny Leone a true Canadian DESI now back in India !.
Umm...this is a thread about caste?
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Are you there?
Nmmmm.. VMs copy paste diarrhea is mixing caste with racism... still its good that he is mixing up something not separating or outcasting !! ;-)
