Roadmap for new comers why and how to buy House in GTA


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Roadmap for new comers why and how to buy House in GTA
By: sarmaalo

I am an IT guy and was not knowing anything about mortgage/house buying. Recently I bought a house after one and half year of immigration to Canada, and it is better than what I thought. Hence, I would to share my thoughts which might help or at least get a different perspective.

There are lots of good articles in this site where you can get the details. I just thought to cover it very high level. Some of my ideas or perceptions might be diluted and need corrections. Feel free to give honest feedback and your experience on it.

I suggest all the immigrants to look for buying house to save what they earn and build equity. This will be your first vehicle to rebuild career, put your children in best school, earn more money, start investment so on and so forth. Here are some tips which might help. Handle the whole thing as a project and act professionally as much you can.

Why we need to buy it desperately -->

-Rent cost and mortgage payment cost varies somewhere between 25-30%. With a little bit of effort and very good planning you can buy house instead of wasting the money in rest. I was paying rent of $1100 x 12 = $13200 per year which was almost one fourth of my salary.
-Treat it as investment and think having a fixed shelter on your head as bonus. You should be willing to sell it after some years to go for a better house or move to a place near to your job location. But buy something now to start saving right away.

Who can get loans?

-You must have a stable income, working and earning record for last 1 year.
-Shop around. All Banks and lot of financial institution are ready to give you loans. Use Internet extensively for this.
-Spend some time to compare.

Various avenues to get money -->

-Plan to raise your income
-Get ready to put your spouse to earn something if needed and plan for it.
-Check whether you can do some part-time, weekend work etc if needed for the time being.
-Check how much Line of Credit you can have and apply for it
-Check who can give you minimum down payment. Some bank gives your down payments too. Only $5000 you require to have.
-Get some credit cards applied for emergency

House selection -->

-Sit with map and know your neighborhood.
-Make a statistical ranking of what is your long term and short term goal and give weight age to those.
-From TDSB find out which schools are best and where they are. Visit those places and check whether you can stay there.
-Find out which area you area you should buy based on five major factors :
Best Schools, Office Commuting time / Transport facility, Job availability,
Peaceful neighborhood, Affordability of house in that area based on your income,
Real Estate price appreciation in that area
-Give less weight age to stay near your community people, as you can always drive. Toronto is a small place to go in any direction.
-Find what are the pros and cons of buying Apartment/Condo, Condo Town House, Semi detached, fully Detached etc. Also, find which one will suit your need and affordability at least for five years.
-Find how much square fit you require, and which all appliances and furniture you get automatically.
-Make a sweet spot for all the above based on your need. Don’t get carried away with look and feel or what people say. Check whether your goals are satisfied and house you are buying is trouble free, peaceful where you can focus more on your work, career, education and quality of life.
-Get some feature checklist to judge the quality of house. Get to know from your friends, connections or websites.
-Give weight to availability of place, shopping/food complex near your house
-Evaluate security you want in your house or neighborhood. After all Safety first specially if you are near to downtown or city areas.
-Find family doctor, library, and community center availabilities

One time cost -->

- $5000 down payment
-Lawyer payment $1000-$1200
-Land Transfer fee to lawyer
-CMHC insurance and 8% PST on CMHC (if you have very less down payment)
-Phone, Cable, Internet, Gas, Electricity setup / transfer cost
-Title Insurance
-Mover cost
-Inspection Cost
-Closure Cost
-Painting cost
-Cleaning cost
-Overlapping rent cost (this can be avoided)
-Keep 30 to 0% of above calculated onetime cost extra in case you need as an emergency


Increase / Adjustment of family running cost -->

-Mortgage payment
-Property Tax (sometimes bank handles)
-Condo Management fee (if Condo is bought)
-House insurance
-Gas / Heating cost
-Electricity cost
-Life Insurance / Mortgage insurance
-Home Security
-Water Tax
-Commuting cost
-Furnace, Boiler, heater maintenance costs
-Keep provision of 10-25% extra to cover up hidden costs e.g. repairing, fees etc.

What all planning activities are required?

-Get some pre-approval from Bank/Financial done
-Get minimum down payment and maximum period to payback. If you have more money later, have the option to pay lump sum anytime and reduce the principal.
-Go for Bi-weekly mortgage payment. This will work as miracle and save you unthinkable amount of money and period of payback.
-Get your budget range fix
-Get all websites where you can see all house listed for sale
-Find Life Insurance/Mortgage insurance details. According to me Life Insurance is cheap and far better option than Mortgage insurance
-Find House inspector
-Find a very good lawyer who spends time to answer your queries
-Find House Insurance. Normally it comes bundled with your car insurance.
-Have a checklist what type of house you want and prefer
-From your lawyer, banker and real estate agent get a comprehensive chart of all payments required when when exactly you have to have the money ready
-Find exact Closure cost from lawyers and real estate agents
-Don’t forget to do Title insurance from your lawyer to protect yourself from ID theft
-Know details of closure activities
-Know about Gas, electricity, Furnace, boiler, Air conditioner, water payment and transfer logistics to your name
-Find maintenance contract details of your boiler, air conditioner, furnace etc.
-Get some handy man contacts ready
-Shop around Security system you need to install
-Shop House Inspector
-Find your parking requirement affect to your car insurance due to change of location
-Find Internet, cable and phone cost
-Make a solid checklist for all change of addresses. Some change of addresses you need to do before movement, and some after. Line those up properly. I had 35 change of addresses got carried out.
-Have some checklist or understanding ready how to judge the quality of your house
-In case of buying Condo/Condo Town House find details abut management fees etc.
-Find some reliable real estate agents in the area where you want to buy, and start looking for house. Go with your entire checklists to judge the quality of house, neighborhood, and objectives.
Select a very good mover and go for fixed price contract. It was a nightmare for me when I went for hourly contract.

Risk Assessment -->

-Anything of the above if you can’t satisfy is risk. Don’t ignore those e.g. if your income is not sufficient to run the family after taking house, then wait or find some avenues.
-You should spend time calculating exactly your onetime cost, hidden cost and family running cost.
-If you cannot stick to the above objective and subjective criteria, then those are risk and you will face those either losing money or comfort in future.
-Keep 10-20% percent buffer money for hidden cost after your take house. No one can tell you what are those and from which directions those can come. E.g. you might have emergency to travel to your homeland etc.


What long time benefit you will get ?

-Develop Equity / savings
-Good education for kids
-Less commuting time and hence better quality of life

Refinancing -->

-Think about refinancing after two three years. If you have already squared off 25% of principal, then you can refinance and save a lot.


Comparison with other country real estate investment -->

-In USA and India, you get tax benefit, but here you don’t.



I have some actual checklist used my me to select a house, mortgage calculator, onetime, regular family cost and address change worksheets. These are developed after talking to real estate agents, financial analysts and bank managers. Also, I have all websites URLs of real Estate agents, Banks, Insurance etc.
If you want to know more then contact alok.sarma@gmail.com


Bets of luck!


Regards

Alok Sarma



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Blue_Peafowl   
Member since: Dec 08
Posts: 1351
Location: Brampton, Ont, Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 24-07-09 08:13:43

Fido Good work for calculation .....

But to me Its not an easy calculations RENTING Vs Buying - so many factors involve

There is two ways to look at it when its comes to buying house:

1st: to make your own house - stay longer
2nd: just investment purpose

When u r buying house for your self only thing is you should worry is " How much u can afford " ?

Investing in house ( stay in the house instead renting - this is not about strictly renting to someone but stay by your self and sell it when u make profit)
- you should look for many factors , like area, future market, yet affordability is important too. + this is kind of part time job , u need to constantly look for buyer , have to have good connections with ppl in the market - be ready to move any moment.


so for me renting is wasting money and buying is making money.


NOTE: above post is strictly to buy house and stay in - this post has nothing to do with rental property


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jagmag   
Member since: Aug 04
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 24-07-09 11:37:42

I sincerely think if someone design their mortgage (principal payment + int) very close to your rent (min 2bh decent appt rent) you should be okay i.e I pick around $1400 to $1500 number per month for mortgage payment which should be equal to 2 Br or 3br decent size & locality apartment/condo rent. Out of this payment 60% to 70% goes as interest cost if we take standard cookie cutter 25years amortization with a good 25% down. I consider mortgage principal part to be equated with utilities/insurance/property tax etc which are ongoing non returnable expenses.
Now comes return on your investment part if whatever down payment lets say for example $50k to $100k if the property value increases just by modest interest rate on down payment money that otherwise you put in a bank one would still be ok. Since we anyways need place to live anywhere in the world we go. What you guys think? I wonder if i miss any thing?



Fido   
Member since: Aug 06
Posts: 5286
Location: Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-07-09 07:25:33

Thanks Hiren & Jagmag ,

I have updated the earlier post with the insurance and interest costs and the balance is in favor of renting .......... maybe because one does not consider the 5% + costs which one shall incur upon selling ............ I think we should budget for that cost also ...........

All in all - realtors make money , banks make money and everyone involved makes money ........... hence real estate buying and selling is quite publicized .....

I would consider buying a house which I don't have to sell in say 20 yrs (our needs change after 10 yrs and we should foresee that ) .... till I find that house .... I do not find any problems in renting based on the math above ..

And yes , the above calculation would change if the house was to appreciate by say 30K or 10% over 5 years ..... Does that kind of appreciation happen in the GTA ??


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Fido   
Member since: Aug 06
Posts: 5286
Location: Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-07-09 18:26:11

Here s an update from my house searching .. initial exercise............ Saw like 5 properties , 4 from Sellers Agent and 1 from direct seller through the website bytheowner dot com .... bytheowner.com ......... and guess what .... the direct sale is a much better property and price ........... I really do not know why we should not exempt the realtors if we can ..........

So for new buyers , before you sign a buyers agreement ( which means you will have to pay commission to your Agent even if you buy privately ) ...... search around yourself for a couple of months and you would perhaps feel that after seeing 15-20 properties , you would become a better judge of the properties and price .....


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Blue_Peafowl   
Member since: Dec 08
Posts: 1351
Location: Brampton, Ont, Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 27-07-09 09:08:27

Why do u need to sign buyer agreement ? its not mandatory .... at least not in Quebec.


only the seller who put thier house on sale - they have agreement with agent.

so stay away from Agent who like to sign BUYER AGREEMENT.

go with as many agent as u can to see different property dont stuck to one.



M I RIGHT ?


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viggy   
Member since: Aug 07
Posts: 569
Location:

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 27-07-09 09:32:26

Quote:
Originally posted by Blue_Peafowl

Why do u need to sign buyer agreement ? its not mandatory .... at least not in Quebec.


only the seller who put thier house on sale - they have agreement with agent.

so stay away from Agent who like to sign BUYER AGREEMENT.

go with as many agent as u can to see different property dont stuck to one.



M I RIGHT ?



My experience as a buyer with relator was that I signed a 2 week agreement at the same time as I put in the offer for the first place. When it expired, again signed one before the next offer I put in.

I won't recommend going with multiple relators, unless you are unhappy with the one you are working with. Reason being, you will have to educate the realtor about your requirements all over again. If not, you will be wasting time again and again seeing properties which you have no interest in buying.



frnd   
Member since: May 07
Posts: 239
Location: GTA

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 27-07-09 09:41:20

Quote:
Originally posted by Blue_Peafowl

Why do u need to sign buyer agreement ? its not mandatory .... at least not in Quebec.


only the seller who put thier house on sale - they have agreement with agent.

so stay away from Agent who like to sign BUYER AGREEMENT.

go with as many agent as u can to see different property dont stuck to one.



M I RIGHT ?



Yes, in GTA most of them don’t push buyers to sign contract, some of them do. Also, what Viggy says makes sense and lots of buyers do that.

But for them: it is like working with the employers who don’t provide any written agreement to contractor but still want him to work for the company. Now it is up to contractor to work with such a company or not.



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