Posted on: 27-02-04 19:21:55
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And by the way, I live in the GTA.
I bought mine just last month so I was sure about it!
A two year old car IS a used car - right?
Right. I stand corrected. Well, technically a two year old MAYBACH is also a used car, you can get one for about $400,000 if I'm not mistaken. I'm not rushing out to the used-maybach dealership anytime soon though.
My reply was in the context of the original question. The guy was asking about "basic needs", would you call a $25000 Camry a basic need?
A guy who's brand new in this country is not going to buy an almost-new Camry unless he's got money to burn. And yes, I agree a car is a pretty basic need here, but most people will do without it for the first couple of months at least. And if you must buy, my advice would be to go for a used Japanese car around 5-8 grand initially while you settle in.
All depends on what you can afford, I'm sure if Anil Ambani immigrated here, he'd be going for that Maybach right away.
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Of course, it depends on what your lifestyle is, but if you cut corners intially,
Exactly! And that is why I gave such a silly looking answer to this question, because it seemed to be a silly question. Look at the question of kjyoti - she says what she is expecting in the thread ' cost of living' (like a one bedroom apt, public transport, utilities etc.) and it is easier to answer such a question.
BL, Haven't you indicated earlier that you have got fed of persons asking questions which are answered in other posts in details, and asking questions without giving their own expectations and details of present status? I recollect you asked someone - do you want to move your sofa first, then your bed, then...... - it clearly indicated the pain of having to answer such questions.
I remember someone had asked for job prospects in Canada vis a vis India without giving any details and I think sanjeevm had answered by posing the same question to him if he should return to India and what the job prospects were.
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you can survive for about $1200 a month in decent living conditions. Say you go overboard and spend $5000 on the initial expenses (TV, VCR, BED, COUCH etc etc), you still have about 20 grand left. You can easily live for a year on this.
How can one comment on living expenses without knowing the lifestyle the other person leads, and I DARE NOT ASSUME for the lesser! This person has not even indicated whether he is moving alone of with wife and children , if he has any etc. etc. How can one assume he is moving alone and will survive in $1200 pm?I have a friend who came here and bought a house and two cars (both new), since his basic needs were such - he was a software guy and wife was a teacher - and the cars were the expensive ones. But he needed that to live a comfortable life. Similarly, I have a friend who bought a Honda Accord as soon as he landed because he felt his movement and job search was restricted without that. And believe me, they too moved for similar reasons as most (not all) others - for children's better future!
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Of course, you don't want to burn through your saving so most likely you'll get a job that'll pay for the basics within the first three months anyways.
Again, it depends entirely on one's lifestyle what could be basic needs for him. We have a member Nishit who clearly says that 40K a year will not suffice even though he is a bachelor, because he leads a better life in India.
The basic thing is - we should NOT assume that persons coming to Canada will be happy to live in conditions where $1500 shall be enough initially. I think, one of the major things to keep you in Canada against all odds is a decent home and car so that you do not curse yourself when you land in Canada because you had all that in India as a professional. Yes, a family of two might be able to survive in $1500 per month, but the kind of life they would lead will NEVER let them like Canada as they had dreamt.
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Banjara you seem to have lost the plot mate!
I havent seen any one more stupid !
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Banjara you seem to have lost the plot mate!
I havent seen any one more stupid !
Actually, I think Banjara is being pretty reasonable here.
I agree with him that it is not possible to give any reasonable answer without knowing the parameters.
The original question was simply "how much money should I bring", without giving any further information about family size, intended destination, standard of living desired, etc.
If further information was provided, it would have helped people answer the question better.
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-- Rhett Butler in "Gone with the Wind"
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Banjara you seem to have lost the plot mate!
I havent seen any one more stupid !
Stardust, no personal attacks please! We're all allowed to have our view and opinions.
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Exactly! And that is why I gave such a silly looking answer to this question, because it seemed to be a silly question. Look at the question of kjyoti - she says what she is expecting in the thread ' cost of living' (like a one bedroom apt, public transport, utilities etc.) and it is easier to answer such a question.
BL, Haven't you indicated earlier that you have got fed of persons asking questions which are answered in other posts in details, and asking questions without giving their own expectations and details of present status? I recollect you asked someone - do you want to move your sofa first, then your bed, then...... - it clearly indicated the pain of having to answer such questions.
I remember someone had asked for job prospects in Canada vis a vis India without giving any details and I think sanjeevm had answered by posing the same question to him if he should return to India and what the job prospects were
True on all counts. I agree with you the question is inadequate. Also it has been answered multiple times. And no, I'm not "fed up", but yeah, it is annoying to answer the question over and over again.
Coming to the other post you're talking about, I did point our that the person should do a search. And in my annoyance, my answer was a bit rude which was pointed out and I apologized.
You on the other hand gave an answer, which now you're claiming you gave sarcastically (which everyone was just supposed to figure out!). And the only reason I added my comments was to counter your claim, outherwise I would have posted a link to another thread and asked Stardust to do a search. No matter how annoyed you or I are, let's not mislead people.
Ok, your friends are rich and they bought 2 cars on the day they landed here. But when someone is telling you he's thinking about bringing 25000 and asking whether this is enough for basic needs for the first few months, do you think this person is going to land and buy a 25000 car??? I'mean lets use some common sense here, shall we?
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The basic thing is - we should NOT assume that persons coming to Canada will be happy to live in conditions where $1500 shall be enough initially. I think, one of the major things to keep you in Canada against all odds is a decent home and car so that you do not curse yourself when you land in Canada because you had all that in India as a professional. Yes, a family of two might be able to survive in $1500 per month, but the kind of life they would lead will NEVER let them like Canada as they had dreamt.
The first sentence here says don't assume and the next two sentences are assumptions! You're assuming that the person had a great professional life in India with car(s) and a great house.
Again, look at the context of the question. The assumption there is if there isn't a job for 3 months, will 25000 be enough for a place to live and basic needs? To which I replied that if you cut corners, 25000 is more than enough. And yes, I did assume that the guy was not a millionaire, wonder where I got that from.
I think I've made my point, and I don't see any point in stretching this any further. Whether you agree or not is your prerogative, but I'll refrain from replying in this thread again.
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BL, I do agree with you what you have written and that is why in my previous post I had myself claimed that I gave a Silly looking answer!
I am not so much upset by people not doing the search - I myself am not good at it, or do not have the patience and time to read all that is posted here to be fully educated, but what really makes me go crazy is the way the questions are put.
I remember, I had sent a four page questionnair to an aqauintance of mine before moving to Canada - and that clearly included what my family size and lifestyle was and what parameters I was working on to get an answer. One should not just post one liners for questions - and if they do, they should be ready to receive one liners as answers - which in most cases will be inadequate.
A good example perhaps of a perfectly valid one liner question would be:
Are Indian groceries available easily in Canada or does one have to personally import all the time? (since in many countries Indian grocery stores are not common, or rather hard to find).
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Sorry for barging in in this thread. I just read this thread and was amused to see how sometimes the simple discussions get overstretched!
To Banjara:
I refer to your signature line " If we can unite, we can be the greaest", but do you think the sarcasm that you showed and the way you reacted ("in a silly way" in your own words) will help towards that cause. I think the fundamental thing required for unity and for teamwork is to understand the strengths as well as the limitations of every team member and not to point fingers at others unnecessarily for their innocent mistakes. your point is valid that the question asked was inadequate but wasn't too bad that it "made you go crazy" (in your own words). C'mon, mate, don't make yourself so vulnerable that anyone can control you and upset your emotional intelligence with a simple oneliner! Stay happy buddy. And finally if you really believe in your signature line you'll have to start with you and with the right attitude. Right?
Hope you will take the above in a healthy spirit. Anyway the choice is yours.
