Nehru - Visionary or Fool?
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Orginally posted by jake3d
DT, was there a leader at that time who would have been able to eradicate ALL of Indias many problems, within his/her lifetime. I doubt you would be able to name any...even with the advantage of hindsight.
Nope. There wasn't. However, it is only by analyzing our Political figures that we can learn from their mistakes, and I'm just working my way down the list - Gandhi, Nehru .........
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Orginally posted by DesiTiger
Nehru's policies -- his insistence ...... on linguistic states
Can you expand what you meant by 'insistence on linguistic states'
Daks
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Orginally posted by DesiTiger
Nope. There wasn't. However, it is only by analyzing our Political figures that we can learn from their mistakes, and I'm just working my way down the list - Gandhi, Nehru .........
Sardar Patel, Lal Bahadur Shastri, Lala Lajpat Rai, Dr. B.R. Ambedkar, Rajaji, M.S. Golwalkar, Morarji, Indira, Rajiv, Vajpayee, Gujral.
I'd like to know your conclussions.
In the meantime...i'll start with focussing on my mistakes. Maybe between the two of us well find that perfect way to live. That perfect knowledge which will liberate the whole of humanity. All the best.!
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Quote:Very interesting observation.
Orginally posted by mercury6
Nationalism is not pride, it is a trick. It is what drives the naive and foolish to die in a corner of some foreign field, what allows people to treat others as less than human because of their different place of birth, religion, race.
Dont overestimate your love for India and underestimate other's.
This is especially true for a country like the USA where nationalism and pride often mean arrogance, bull-headedness, brashness and vanity.
The "Proud to be an American" flags were alright in the aftermath of 9/11, but since the atrocities in Afghanistan and Iraq, it is only an arrogant boast.
As far as India is concerned, our source of pride is not our military strength or the number of nuclear bombs, we have, but our heritage, culture, literature and music.
As for religion, separating religion from politics is an unachievable goal.
Religion has a way of influencing all aspects of life, especially politics.
Also, think about literature and music - can you separate religion from literature, poetry and music?
Man's earliest expressions of culture - drawings, writings, poetry, etc. all had religious themes.
Simiarly, religion and politcs have been inseparable since the begining of civilisation, and we cannot change that.
Right from the time of the Crusades till the present day, religion is inseparable from politics.
I think the day we will be able to separate religion and politics will be the day both of these ideas will end - there will be no more religion and no more politics (like that John Lennon song).
They are two sides of the same coin.
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Posted on: 02-03-05 14:54:25
Free India's biggest mistakes.... perpetuated by "the fake Mahatma"...
1.) Sidelining M. A. Jinnah in 1920 (during the height of the Non-cooperation movement)
2.) Sidelining Subhash Bose in the 1936 Congress session
3.) Sidelining Vallabh Bhai patel in favor of "Chacha" Nehru !
Whereas Vallabhbhai Patel has the distinction of uniting India's 562 princely provinces, Nehru has the distinction of , as DT said, being the creator of POK ( or Pak administrated Kashmir, if I choose to adhere like a Canadian )...
Even after Nehru's death, India had a fine chance... there were leaders like Lal Bahadur "Shastri"... (IMO the greatest PM India ever had...and not surprisingly, the PM the Congress of today likes to ignore)... I wish we had the dream team of Vallabh Bhai Patel, Lal Bahadur Shastri and Dr. BRA instead of Nehru and his coterie (in which Sardar was reduced to a weakling).....
Japan was in a far more worse state than India. It had been Nuked ! It was a loser and a vanquished nation. Yet it followed the principles of free markets and capitalism..and look where it stands today !.... The same can be said of Germany.. Ppl often have a ready made xcuse that "..but India is a country with many religions and ppl"... I say the fervour with which the freedom was won, was not sustained as the political leadership in those had ideas that were contrary to what should have been done. History, IMO, will never forget or forgive Nehru for his follies... He may have done some good..but
as Mark Antony said in Julius Ceasar
"The good that men do are often interred with thier bones, the evil lives after them".... SO it shall be the case with Nehru...the philanderer, the writer, the socialist, the Panch-sheel-ist, and of cos the father of POK (Pak administrated Kashmir)
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Orginally posted by Ottawa_Nerd
as Mark Antony said in Julius Ceasar
"The good that men do are often interred with thier bones, the evil lives after them".... SO it shall be the case with Nehru...the philanderer, the writer, the socialist, the Panch-sheel-ist, and of cos the father of POK (Pak administrated Kashmir)
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
BRAVO ON Bhai
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Quote:I agree with all that you said, but I must protest at this.
Orginally posted by Ottawa_Nerd
Japan was in a far more worse state than India. It had been Nuked ! It was a loser and a vanquished nation. Yet it followed the principles of free markets and capitalism..and look where it stands today !.... The same can be said of Germany..
It is not fair to compare the newly independent India with Germany and Japan (not withstanding the war damage).
Both Germany and Japan had started their "modernising" process back in the 1800s when India was still being ravaged and pillaged by the greedy British Raj.
I don't remember the exact dates now, but Japan's modernisation can be traced back to the Meiji Restoration.
Germany was always at the forefront of capitalist revolution right from the days of Industrial Revolution.
Post-war, the so-called "Allies" - USA, UK, France poured money into the economies of both West Germany and Japan - India did not get one red cent !
It is true that both those countries suffered a lot of war damage.
But war does not destroy education, it does not destroy enterprise, it does not destroy the basic framework of public infrastructure (even though electricity and other public services get damaged).
It is relatively easier to recover from war damages than it is to recover from almost 200 years of imperialist rule.
There is no comparison between post-war Germany/Japan and post-independence India.
As for Nehru, it is true that he was basically an orator, writer and visionary, and not a planner or politician.
At the same time, not all the problems that India has faced in the past 55 years are Nehru's making.
Give the guy a break fellas - he did us a great favour by keeping the ravaging eagles of the USA and other neo-imperialist countries at bay for the first phase of independent India.
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