TORONTO: If the Conservative Party takes power in Canada, it will streamline the process of bringing skilled immigrants into the country and ensure their better integration, says Indo-Canadian MP Rahim Jaffer.
"Our immigration policy is the reason many (voters) have shifted to us, after the frustration they feel with this government. If you ask anyone dealing with the immigration department in the last 15 years, they will tell you that conditions in the department continue to decline," Jaffer said.
"It is getting more and more difficult to bring people to this country even for family reunification. Also, the fees, the process, the security, are almost working against Canadians bringing their families," said the 34-year-old from Edmonton-Strathcona in Alberta province.
"What we've tried to do is to focus on the resources in the department and the process to allow for a positive flow of immigration but also facilitate the integration of many of these people coming - because, especially in the South Asian community, many people are well educated, they are in professions, and when they come here, they end up driving taxis or doing menial jobs," Jaffer said, voicing the anger of many South Asians who immigrate to Canada.
"So even when we've actually tried to bring more skilled people into this country, we have failed them when they get here because they can't really integrate into the economy."
Jaffer, one of the ethnic faces that appeared on national TV standing just behind Conservative party leader Stephen Harper, has been a vocal MP since his first election back in 1993 when hardly any Indo-Canadian was in public office.
The new ballot is due Jan 23. The election was necessitated after Martin lost a confidence vote last month.
"The good thing is that over the years, and especially in the recent past, there's been more and more of a presence of Indo-Canadians in various parties and in Ottawa and they have played significant roles.
"And I am confident that if we are given the opportunity to serve in the next government of this country, then based on the experience that I've seen from the candidates that are running and the MPs of South Asian background, we are going to have some really excellent representation in the future government."
In an effort to project a multiethnic image, Harper is fielding almost the same number of South Asians as the Liberal Party of Prime Minister Paul Martin.
"Since the last election, more and more people have become more familiar with our leader (Harper), with our party, and many of our policies, and I think that is having a positive impact," he said.
Jaffer hopes he can win this time too from a constituency where Asians form a small group.
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 19-01-06 11:54:21
He states they acknowlede that processing is more difficult for immigrants including those in the family reunification class. However, though he mentions that integration is a problematic situation for the skilled Immigrants coming into the country, again there are no solutions or specific actions mentioned.
Im going to be cynical here but state that this sounds like they are trying to get everyone excited (read Immigrants and south asians) that the government will do something..but again what specifically will be done? will there be more outreach to employers to educate them about foreign education? Will there be wage subsidies offered to employers who hire foreign professionals? How about greater budgets for credential evaluation so the process for THAT becomes faster? it can take a few months for credentials to be evaluated. If the turnaround time was lessened would that help?
I noticed this campaign they are throwing around the comment that the government hopes to raise immigration levels to 1% of the population. I've been hearing/reading this for the past 10 or so years. This doesnt seem to be anything new.
Just my 2 cents.
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acknowlede the process,
solutions or specific actions
government will do something..
outreach to employers
budgets for credential evaluation
few months for credentials to be evaluated.
..all the above points are also techniques of generating additional jobs at HRDC and giving these jobs to their own people (lethargic Goras)...they r creating employment for themselves in the pretext of integrating new immigrants into the system.
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 19-01-06 15:04:50
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acknowlede the process,
solutions or specific actions
government will do something..
outreach to employers
budgets for credential evaluation
few months for credentials to be evaluated.
..all the above points are also techniques of generating additional jobs at HRDC and giving these jobs to their own people (lethargic Goras)...they r creating employment for themselves in the pretext of integrating new immigrants into the system.
No way.
I totally disagree with your post Rohit.
First of all, Unless you outreach to employers to advise them of benefits of hiring foreign educated workers..how else will they know? outreach can be thru media etc.
Secondly, Without evaluating credentials how can an employer or institution know if a credential is the same? With so many countries and many different education systems how else can they be assessed? One thing I advocate or wish would happen: FREE evaluations .
I think you have very preconceived notions of people that work for or through Service Canada (not HRDC anymore). First of all, there are many visible minorities that do work in the government.
I dont say the system is perfect..but now if you have hundreds of thousands of immigrants that need to be integrated into the system.. there has to be a systemic way of helping those people. If it creates jobs in the process SO be IT. Many of those jobs go to visible minorities..first and second gens like ME. Im proud and happy to be helping people..in whatever way I can.
so plz dont generalize.
Things in Canada generally do work in processes - they are not done haphazardly -at least in theory!
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No way.
I totally disagree with your post Rohit....thats your personal opinion..
outreach to employers to advise them of benefits ...Canada has been importing immigrants for the last 100 years...all employers know that they are worth 10 times more and are forced to work at 1/3rd of a Goras salary and normally have 3 times more qualification than the Gora at a much younger age...so get off this arguement...
Secondly, evaluating credentials ...this should be done at the point of application...they have 3-4 years to go through every document...at the Canadian High Commission in Delhi, all the goras play golf during working hours and take out of proportion vacation touring India.
One thing I advocate or wish would happen: FREE evaluations...FREE..my ass...each immigrant pays $3000 per family (Which is a huge chunk of their savings in Indian Rupee) even b4 someone raises an eyelid at the High Commission...u think a Gora will pay upfront? No way..
I think you have very preconceived notions of people that work for or through Service Canada (not HRDC anymore)....it was HRDC when I came and I remember the horrific experience...this gora SOB (who might not even be a goddamn high school) wud walk in literally holding his nose because the room was packed with Pakis and Desis...and the arrogance in his speech was incomparable..as if we had come here just to line up for a free lunch at his personal expense..this guy wud talk about dress sense and communication skills.
I dont say the system is perfect..yes it is... perfectly biased...
immigrants that need to be integrated into the system.. no one integrates an immigrant into the system...we come here and burn our asses...walk in -25 because we dont get a driving licence so easily and finally settle for some mediocre job because we run out of the money we brought...even the children calculate the price of a chocolate in Indian rupee and refrain from eating a candy because their parents havent yet started working..
here has to be a systemic way of helping those people. ...of fleecing money from immigrants. thats what it is.
If it creates jobs in the process SO be IT...bloody hypocracy
Many of those jobs go to visible minorities..who r extremely qualified immigrants and are forced to work part time by HRDC cos they need to earn a living.
Second gens like ME (YOU) . should be shouting at the Candian immigration Hypocracy and not innocently help the new comers...no one helps a new comer...showing a kind attitude dosent help..I am sorry
so plz dont generalize...it is absolutely general...ask any new immigrant..ask your parents, what they went through
Things in Canada generally do work in processes...that I agree..because no one applies their brain and just blindly follows the system...also setting up systems for 30 Miil ppl with one main lingo and one main religion is no big deal....go to India and live there for a few years, then you would realize the path, hassels enormous risk and competetion the 1st gen Cd's take to come here -
they are not done haphazardly -at least in theory!..yes it is just in theory...in reality, east european strippers get immigration and permanent residency for stripping...and a desi guy who works hard for 18 years in a pizza outlet is deported because he approached the minister for regularizing his papers...
You as a 2nd gen r enjoying the benefits of the struggle your parents went throgh...though I appreciate that you realize this to some extent..
Location: British Columbia
Posted on: 19-01-06 16:53:12
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outreach to employers to advise them of benefits ...Canada has been importing immigrants for the last 100 years...all employers know that they are worth 10 times more and are forced to work at 1/3rd of a Goras salary and normally have 3 times more qualification than the Gora at a much younger age...so get off this arguement...
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If all employers knew this then there would be no problem. Unfortunatly many people are not aware of this or what qualifications from other countries mean..so they may just find it easier to hire someone with recognizable qualifications.
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Secondly, evaluating credentials ...this should be done at the point of application...they have 3-4 years to go through every document...at the Canadian High Commission in Delhi, all the goras play golf during working hours and take out of proportion vacation touring India.
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Agreed. The process may need some rework. However Canadian immigration dept doesnt do credential evaluations..
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One thing I advocate or wish would happen: FREE evaluations...FREE..my ass...each immigrant pays $3000 per family (Which is a huge chunk of their savings in Indian Rupee) even b4 someone raises an eyelid at the High Commission...u think a Gora will pay upfront? No way..
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If you read carefully what I wrote I said I \"wish\" would happen. Evaluations are not free. How does a gora paying upfront have anything to do with this?
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I think you have very preconceived notions of people that work for or through Service Canada (not HRDC anymore)....it was HRDC when I came and I remember the horrific experience...this gora SOB (who might not even be a goddamn high school) wud walk in literally holding his nose because the room was packed with Pakis and Desis...and the arrogance in his speech was incomparable..as if we had come here just to line up for a free lunch at his personal expense..this guy wud talk about dress sense and communication skills.
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So this means that all HRDC staff are caucasians? It sounds like you had a bad experience. Was his information about dress sense/communication helpful? was it true? just curious..
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immigrants that need to be integrated into the system.. no one integrates an immigrant into the system...we come here and burn our asses...walk in -25 because we dont get a driving licence so easily and finally settle for some mediocre job because we run out of the money we brought...even the children calculate the price of a chocolate in Indian rupee and refrain from eating a candy because their parents havent yet started working..
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Is it harder in your opinion to get a driving licence? I agree with you about having to settle for entry level jobs if you areunable to find work in your field. It isnt easy.. however services that are provided to help people integrate can help.. even if they can only help one person at a time..
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here has to be a systemic way of helping those people. ...of fleecing money from immigrants. thats what it is.
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Thats your opinion..
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Many of those jobs go to visible minorities..who r extremely qualified immigrants and are forced to work part time by HRDC cos they need to earn a living.
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No I said that there are visible minorities working in government positions such as Service Canada. How does \"HRDC\" force you to work in min. wage jobs?
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Second gens like ME (YOU) . should be shouting at the Candian immigration Hypocracy and not innocently help the new comers...no one helps a new comer...showing a kind attitude dosent help..I am sorry
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I shouldnt be helping new comers? having a kind attitude doesnt help-where? Will 'shouting' get me anywhere? I dont try to have an attitude or something..
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Things in Canada generally do work in processes...that I agree..because no one applies their brain and just blindly follows the system...also setting up systems for 30 Miil ppl with one main lingo and one main religion is no big deal....go to India and live there for a few years, then you would realize the path, hassels enormous risk and competetion the 1st gen Cd's take to come here -
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What do I say about your words above? I understand the difficulties (though of course not first hand).. Im here because I want to understand more. If you take the effort ..then why are you turning around and critisizing everything about 'here' ?? What do you want Canada to be?
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they are not done haphazardly -at least in theory!..yes it is just in theory...in reality, east european strippers get immigration and permanent residency for stripping...and a desi guy who works hard for 18 years in a pizza outlet is deported because he approached the minister for regularizing his papers...
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im not really that knowledgeable about the situation to comment about the pizza owner however the media says he was wanted for 'passport forgery and attempted child smuggling'. His refugee claim was also denied 12 years ago and he has been in the country illegally since. So what is your point? Is it because he's a desi that you feel this way? What if he was from another country. Would you feel the same?
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You as a 2nd gen r enjoying the benefits of the struggle your parents went throgh...though I appreciate that you realize this to some extent..
Yes..I agree that my parents struggles have put me where I am. I also see the struggle that my spouse is going through as a 1st Gen. He's in the same boat as you with his 'foreign education etc. I appreciate your struggles a lot..because its in my nearest and dearest.
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Rain...for once you agree....I like that and I also like your style of debating ...God bless both Gens of CD's in your house...Have fun....for me the satisfaction is that the 2nd gen in my house is doing extremely well in school....and if she excells down the road, my job is done...thats what we first gen get in return...its a long term plan...LOL..always smile at a 1st gen when u see one and dont term them as a FOB (am I right with the abbreviation? from the Boat?)
