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Jack109   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 04-05-08 00:04:03

http://www.tdmp.com/index.php
Lots of ads from these folks ..is it even worth going to their seminar?


The Tax Deductible Mortgage Plan (TDMP) allows you to convert your mortgage into a tax-deductible loan. In turn, you convert the interest into a tax deduction. When you subtract that deduction from your income, you get a Tax Refund. That refund is FREE money, unlike the refund you receive from investing in RRSPs, which is not free money. You pay for your RRSP by using your own after-tax income to buy the tax refund.

TDMP is a new method of integrating your debt and investments that benefits the everyday Canadian.Wealthier Canadians commonly employ expensive tax accountants and tax lawyers to replace their non-tax deductible loans (houses, vehicles) with investment loans. TDMP improves on those methods, introducing a new procedure that enables the rest of us to convert our non-deductible mortgage to a tax-deductible loan



rahul_singh23   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-05-08 12:28:13

http://www.financialpost.com/money/story.html?id=490376


It is amusing to see Canada's mortgage industry extol the virtues of 40-year mortgage amortization schedules. As Burlington-based mortgage consultant Ron Cirotto says, "the best mortgage is no mortgage at all." Homeowners should be thinking in terms of four-year amortizations, not 40 years.

Almost all the Baby Boomers I know, wealthy or not, made an early commitment to pay off their mortgages as soon as possible. They focused on reducing debt in a matter of years, not decades. To do so, they aggressively paid down principal, even if it meant foregoing a few things.

A home is typically the biggest financial commitment most will ever make. The longer the period over which a mortgage is amortized, the bigger the magnitude of that commitment. Even over a traditional 25-year period, homeowners will pay as much in interest as they will in principal. So, a $300,000 house may cost almost $600,000 once you include interest payments -- paid with aftertax dollars. In highly taxed Canada, to come up with that extra $300,000 in interest payments you would have to earn something like $450,000 in employment income (and pay income tax of about $150,000).

Two years ago, GE Money announced its 40-year amortization option in Canada, one of the first to do so. It was aimed at those who found it hard to qualify for traditional bank mortgages, such as recent immigrants who lack a credit history, the self-employed and those with less-than-perfect credit. And, as claimed by BCMortgage.ca, extending amortizations to 30, 35 or 40 years lets young homeowners "purchase a more expensive home."

But the price of this affordability is too high. As the chart below shows, monthly interest payments on a 40-year amortization are more affordable than a 25-year amortization. But at the end of the day, the interest paid over the 40-year period of the mortgage is almost twice as much as that paid on a 25-year plan.

Of course, the U.S. subprime mortgage crisis, which ushered in a global financial meltdown, has revealed the ultimate effect of encouraging consumers to take on more home than they really need.

Cirotto's Web site,www.amortization.com, graphically illustrates how much more interest you'll shell out as amortizations are extended. It also shows how to reduce interest payments by bumping up the frequency and amount of mortgage payments: All the extra goes directly to paying down the principal, which has an amazing affect on lowering interest expense. Even so, Paul Bath, president of Newmarket, Ont.-based Centum Hewmac Mortgage Centre, encourages some homeowners to get a 40-year amortization "right away, so they can get the lowest payment possible. Once they do, they can always raise payments back to the level of a 25-year schedule."

That's worth considering, but it's more prudent to buy an affordable home in the first place. Too many couples starting out haven't grasped the basic fact that building wealth requires delaying instant gratification. Those who buy too much house in too upscale a neighbourhood end up not just with huge mortgages, but higher property taxes, bigger heating bills and the burden of keeping up with the expensive tastes of well-heeled neighbours. It is what Texans call, "big hat, no cattle."

To me, it's simple. If you can't afford a home, rent and save money for a down payment. As of 2009, the federal government's new Tax-Free Savings Accounts (TFSAs) will be the ideal way to do this. Any young couple will be able to stash $10,000 a year into these vehicles ($5,000 each). With well-chosen investments, the tax-free growth should allow them to save a 25% down payment on a home in a few years.

By that time, if you agree with the premise of Garth Turner's new book, Greater Fool, the Canadian real estate bubble may have burst and prices will be that much more affordable. With lower prices, a decent down payment and a reasonable starter home in an appropriate part of town, you'll have a shot at being mortgage-free within 10 years



pratickm   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-05-08 15:04:57

Quote:
Originally posted by Jack109
The Tax Deductible Mortgage Plan (TDMP) allows you to convert your mortgage into a tax-deductible loan. In turn, you convert the interest into a tax deduction. When you subtract that deduction from your income, you get a Tax Refund. That refund is FREE money, unlike the refund you receive from investing in RRSPs, which is not free money. You pay for your RRSP by using your own after-tax income to buy the tax refund.

TDMP is a new method of integrating your debt and investments that benefits the everyday Canadian.Wealthier Canadians commonly employ expensive tax accountants and tax lawyers to replace their non-tax deductible loans (houses, vehicles) with investment loans. TDMP improves on those methods, introducing a new procedure that enables the rest of us to convert our non-deductible mortgage to a tax-deductible loan

The TDMP seems to be old wine in new bottle - it is nothing more than a managed Smith Manoevre.
They claim to do everything for you - from arranging the mortgage to managing your investments, etc.
Doesn't mean it's good or bad - it is what it is.
Just so long as you know that contrary to what they are claiming, it is not a new method of integrating your debt and investments.


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Pramod Chopra   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-05-08 15:20:36

Quote:
Originally posted by pratickm

Quote:
Originally posted by Jack109
The Tax Deductible Mortgage Plan (TDMP) allows you to convert your mortgage into a tax-deductible loan. In turn, you convert the interest into a tax deduction. When you subtract that deduction from your income, you get a Tax Refund. That refund is FREE money, unlike the refund you receive from investing in RRSPs, which is not free money. You pay for your RRSP by using your own after-tax income to buy the tax refund.

TDMP is a new method of integrating your debt and investments that benefits the everyday Canadian.Wealthier Canadians commonly employ expensive tax accountants and tax lawyers to replace their non-tax deductible loans (houses, vehicles) with investment loans. TDMP improves on those methods, introducing a new procedure that enables the rest of us to convert our non-deductible mortgage to a tax-deductible loan



The TDMP seems to be old wine in new bottle - it is nothing more than a managed Smith Manoeuvre.
They claim to do everything for you - from arranging the mortgage to managing your investments, etc.
Doesn't mean it's good or bad - it is what it is.
Just so long as you know that contrary to what they are claiming, it is not a new method of integrating your debt and investments.




Well said.

On top of it, they would charge a monthly fee as well.

Its like Smith Manoeuvre for 'Dummies'.:D







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Mortgage Alliance Company of Canada



medhora   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 64
Location: Brampton

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-05-08 16:34:13

Is this legal? The smith maneuver had its pros & cons, what justification would one give to Uncle if he knocks on the door for the deductions made!



pratickm   
Member since: Feb 04
Posts: 2831
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 05-05-08 17:27:50

Quote:
Originally posted by medhora
Is this legal? The smith maneuver had its pros & cons, what justification would one give to Uncle if he knocks on the door for the deductions made!

It is legal to write off the interest on any loan taken for investment purposes.
Smith Manoevre is an enhanced version of this basic idea.
TDMP seems to go one step further to "help" you manage everything without hassle for a "small" fee.


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