Posted on: 18-04-10 08:57:47
thanks for sharing.
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The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others.”
Mahatma Gandhi
Will it make a difference ? The national policy of Pakistan is spreading Terrorism and that is not going to change. Pakistan does not have enough juice in balls to have direct fight with India so they adoped this tactics of spreading terrorism to drain Indian blood.
See the same tarrorists Pakis created now runs the show in Pakistan. Well said- As you sow so shall you reap..
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Originally posted by imate1
Will it make a difference ? The national policy of Pakistan is spreading Terrorism and that is not going to change. Pakistan does not have enough juice in balls to have direct fight with India so they adoped this tactics of spreading terrorism to drain Indian blood.
See the same tarrorists Pakis created now runs the show in Pakistan. Well said- As you sow so shall you reap..
Absolutely correct. How does this make any difference?
The fact remains that USA and Obama still whole heartedly support Pakistan and MMS has no guts to do anything about it except licking Obama’s boot and then declaring that Obama is friend of India.
Nehru was a real traitor and anti Hindu person. He set in motion the process to decimate India by first distorting Indian history and then adopting Kashmir policy against the wishes of great patriot Sardar Patel.
Unfinished task of Nehru was accomplished by his daughter Indira when she bamboozled the judiciary during emergency. The keeper of law Supreme Court has been corrupted and most inefficient and incompetent people like present SC CJI Balakrishanan who owes his position to his caste. These judges toe the line of ruling party. A recent judgment which has not attracted much attention is that of granting reservation of 4% to Muslims by SC. This is against the consistent stand of judiciary that constitution does not provide for reservation on basis of religion. The CJI is retiring on May 11 and before that he will do following three things.
1. Decide the case in favor of RIL against RNRL despite clear judgment of HC against RIL. The hearings were over by Mid January.
2. Pass some adverse judgment against Narendra Modi.
India is a sham democracy and incapable of facing any external challenge.
The present ruling elite is anti India and MMS is acting as “Shikhandi” for Sonia.
India has become the laughing stock of the world and hence Obama is trating India as non entity. Can you ever imagine a Central Cabinet minister openly supporting illegal immigration and supporting insurgency backed by China? If you can not believe this, please Google Mamta Banerjee.
This is interesting but will not change the realities. UN's reports have been used, abused and misused by every major country in the past unpunished and so have lost all credibility. Years ago, the 'aspiration of Kashmiris' was a point dictated to India. Latter 'plebiscite' was dictated to Pak. These things did not change anything for India. If at all anything, terrorism increased. And now declaring Pak a terrorist state, will not force Pak to stop terrorism as state policy.
The real change can happen if and when the real victim of this terror and in this case India acts beyond the customary verbal protests. The world and the UN knows beyond a certain doubt that Pak is a fundamentalist terrorist state but they dont want to get involved in fighting them as it is a quagmire from the example of US in Iraq and Afganistan.
Like Israel, India is alone and needs to fight alone. Israel uses a lot its international leverage to get superpowers on its side, but these days even that is thinning out and Israel is left to dry alone. UN declaring Pak may be a positive step, but India's action alone, wheather diplomatic, political, or military will utimately make any difference. As of now, there is only massive inaction on India's part. Expecting the world to deal with Pakistan on our behalf and gloat over such reports means we are living in a 'feel good' Lala land.
see this report:
Pakistani intelligence is so deeply involved in the arming and funding of the Afghan Taliban that it holds a seat on the militant leadership council and has sent the president, Asif Ali Zardari, to make prison visits to captured leaders, a report by the London School of Economics has said.
Researcher Matt Waldman said Pakistani support for the insurgency was "official" policy, implemented by the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) spy agency in the form of money, weapons and training.
"Pakistan appears to be playing a double game of astonishing magnitude," the report, which cited interviews with unnamed Taliban commanders and western officials, said.
An ISI official in Islamabad described the report as "rubbish". "It's not even worth commenting on. It's speculative at best and downright degrading at worst," he said.
ISI links to the Afghan Taliban have been frequently reported – but rarely to the extent claimed in the document, which said the spy agency had official representation on the Quetta shura, the 15-man leadership council, based in western Pakistan.
Claims of civilian collusion were equally striking. Citing a Taliban source, the report said that, in late March or early April, Zardari met 50 top-ranking Taliban members at a secret prison in Pakistan.
According to the report, he told them: "You are our people, we are friends, and after your release we will of course support you to do your operations." Three days later, a dozen Taliban prisoners were released.
Farahnaz Ispahani, a media adviser to Zardari, said: "Not only are these allegations totally unfounded, they are quite outrageous. President Zardari's commitment to fighting terrorism and militancy in all forms is well documented."
The allegations may heighten tensions between Pakistan, Afghanistan and western countries at a time when the cost of the Afghan war is mounting.
Since 2001, thousands of Afghans and 1,800 foreign troops, 295 of them British, have died. The conflict has cost the US government $300bn (£206bn), with spending now running at $70bn a year.
The report, whose findings are based largely on unnamed sources, said Pakistan gives "extensive support to the insurgency in terms of funding, munitions and supplies".
One Taliban commander said his fighters received $120 per month from Pakistan, while others said the ISI was covering their families' living costs in Pakistan.
One interviewee said an ISI official had trained him to make suicide vests and car bombs in South Waziristan in 2005.
"The man was definitely ISI, he told us," he was quoted as saying. "When some of our friends were arrested by the Pakistani authorities, he went and got them freed."
Other interviewees appeared prone to conspiracy theories. One said the ISI support originally came from the US government – a reflection, the report said, of the $12bn in military aid the US has given Pakistan since 2001.
The report also revived allegations of links between Pakistani intelligence and Jalaluddin Haqqani, an al-Qaida linked warlord whose territory stretches into North Waziristan.
The report said there was "apparently a number of small, covert Haqqani bases in North Waziristan and Korram agencies, and Quetta, staffed by serving or former Pakistani military officials. They are often combined with a madrasa, provide a broad-based military training, and include suicide bomber cells".
The controversial document comes at a time of great sensitivity, as regional and western parties to the Afghan conflict jockey for position in anticipation of peace talks with the Taliban.
Senior British officials favour negotiations, some Americans believe in fighting, and the government of the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, is increasingly fractured.
Last week, the long-time head of Afghan intelligence, Amrullah Saleh, resigned from his post, saying he had become an obstacle to Karzai's plans to negotiate with the militants via Pakistan.
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Originally posted by sguk
see this report:
Pakistani intelligence is so deeply involved in the arming and funding of the Afghan Taliban that it holds a seat on the militant leadership council and has sent the president, Asif Ali Zardari, to make prison visits to captured leaders, a report by the London School of Economics has said.
Researcher Matt Waldman said Pakistani support for the insurgency was "official" policy, implemented by the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) spy agency in the form of money, weapons and training.
"Pakistan appears to be playing a double game of astonishing magnitude," the report, which cited interviews with unnamed Taliban commanders and western officials, said.
An ISI official in Islamabad described the report as "rubbish". "It's not even worth commenting on. It's speculative at best and downright degrading at worst," he said.
ISI links to the Afghan Taliban have been frequently reported – but rarely to the extent claimed in the document, which said the spy agency had official representation on the Quetta shura, the 15-man leadership council, based in western Pakistan.
Claims of civilian collusion were equally striking. Citing a Taliban source, the report said that, in late March or early April, Zardari met 50 top-ranking Taliban members at a secret prison in Pakistan.
According to the report, he told them: "You are our people, we are friends, and after your release we will of course support you to do your operations." Three days later, a dozen Taliban prisoners were released.
Farahnaz Ispahani, a media adviser to Zardari, said: "Not only are these allegations totally unfounded, they are quite outrageous. President Zardari's commitment to fighting terrorism and militancy in all forms is well documented."
The allegations may heighten tensions between Pakistan, Afghanistan and western countries at a time when the cost of the Afghan war is mounting.
Since 2001, thousands of Afghans and 1,800 foreign troops, 295 of them British, have died. The conflict has cost the US government $300bn (£206bn), with spending now running at $70bn a year.
The report, whose findings are based largely on unnamed sources, said Pakistan gives "extensive support to the insurgency in terms of funding, munitions and supplies".
One Taliban commander said his fighters received $120 per month from Pakistan, while others said the ISI was covering their families' living costs in Pakistan.
One interviewee said an ISI official had trained him to make suicide vests and car bombs in South Waziristan in 2005.
"The man was definitely ISI, he told us," he was quoted as saying. "When some of our friends were arrested by the Pakistani authorities, he went and got them freed."
Other interviewees appeared prone to conspiracy theories. One said the ISI support originally came from the US government – a reflection, the report said, of the $12bn in military aid the US has given Pakistan since 2001.
The report also revived allegations of links between Pakistani intelligence and Jalaluddin Haqqani, an al-Qaida linked warlord whose territory stretches into North Waziristan.
The report said there was "apparently a number of small, covert Haqqani bases in North Waziristan and Korram agencies, and Quetta, staffed by serving or former Pakistani military officials. They are often combined with a madrasa, provide a broad-based military training, and include suicide bomber cells".
The controversial document comes at a time of great sensitivity, as regional and western parties to the Afghan conflict jockey for position in anticipation of peace talks with the Taliban.
Senior British officials favour negotiations, some Americans believe in fighting, and the government of the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, is increasingly fractured.
Last week, the long-time head of Afghan intelligence, Amrullah Saleh, resigned from his post, saying he had become an obstacle to Karzai's plans to negotiate with the militants via Pakistan.
How does this make any difference? Before this report, the fact was well known. However, Obama has a different agenda. He is no Bush. He wants to cut and run. He has abandoned Karzai. Knowing this, Karzai, to save his ass, has already made peace offer to Taliban. Ultimately Pakistan and Taliban will make such arrangement that Karzai will be able to retire peacefully with his ill gotten wealth, Obama will declare “victory” and withdraw his troops and Taliban wil regain the state. Drug traders will happily carry on their trade and kickbacks from that would fuel Jihad against India.
It is difficult to find any politician in India who has guts to tell truth. The latest example is Nitish Kumar of Bihar who shunned Modi publicly due to fear of losing Muslim votes. Hindu are jokers of India and have Lemur like suicidal mentality. Their sphere of interest is limited to Bollywood and Cricket (Incidentally none of which meets any standard). The world knows that Hindu can never unite and resist any injustice. Babar and British knew this fact and they ruled India for 1,000 years. Now Indians are used to slavery.
I do not see any point in blaming Pakistan.
see this article:
The nexus between state identity and religion is always a dangerous link. When citizens are massacred and abused on the status of their religious identity, then the slide into bestiality is no longer a heartbeat away. It is firmly among us. At this point only unmitigated public outrage and a matching state response put us back in the league of the civilised and, therefore, human.
Massacre of Ahmadis in Lahore is not the first event to have exposed faultlines in the crafting of a national identity in Pakistan. The Christian pogrom at Gojra in 2009 where the police provided impunity to the attackers, instead of protection to the victims, did just the same. Equally disturbing is the level and scale of ambiguity from several political parties on the action that governments need to take to protect their citizens.
Of course, many voices were raised at the brutal attack on May 28, but a religious party actually had the audacity to exhort minorities to live within their implicitly secondary status in Pakistan. The parliament rallied eventually to voice condemnation but, even among the heartland of non-denominational parties from Punjab, the reluctance exposed the rot at the heart of the promise. One public official from Punjab actually said that he could not even remove the banners inciting hate against the Ahmadis. We cannot handle the repercussions of that, he openly confessed.
This admission of state inability to punish minority-haters is no small event. It reinforces the belief that, like the murderers at Gojra, the Ahmadi-killers too will remain unpunished. It tears the mask from the conceit that in Pakistan, despite its contested identity, the government will at least strive to adhere to some of the fundamental rights of equal citizenship enshrined in the Constitution to all minorities.
Of course, these notional equalities too were brought into challenge by the 18th constitutional amendment which, despite its welcome thrust at restoring many entitlements including the right for minorities to worship "freely" reversed some critical ones, by creating an obligation to be Muslim to be president or prime minister. This clearly states that, according to the Constitution now, the right to represent Pakistan in its top elected offices can only go to Muslims. Will we one day only allow a particular sect of Muslims to represent Pakistan? Because if we continue on these lines, that is the next logical step on a slippery slope of concessions. No one should be surprised that Shia doctors are the target of another grisly round of planned exterminations in Karachi.
Violence gains velocity in an atmosphere of impunity. Quite simply, in the absence of state action, there is little opposition to the narrative that always shifts the debate off-centre from the rights of Pakistani citizens. On all the television channels, religious leaders pop up to cite the primacy of religious law, undeterred by the fact that there is no one single codified Islamic law, to subvert the polar axis of the discourse to a privatised view of justice.
The rights of citizens as guaranteed under the Constitution get left far behind, while the counter-narrative from civil society and isolated political voices based on recourse in the Constitution remains unbuttressed by support from the state.
Inertia at a time when moral and political choices have to be made amounts to complicity with turpitude. The government has a unique opportunity to begin reversals of this embrace of insanity. The Constitution protects minorities very explicitly. While it can certainly do more, even a token adherence to a slew of clauses particularly Article 20 which allows "each citizen to have the right to profess, practise and propagate his religion" can go a long way in shutting down vitriol against citizens who peacefully worship according to their faith.
The courts too can and should use these provisions to take suo motu notice of such outrages in the name of religiosity. So far the superior courts have remained silent on the flagrant violation of the Constitution.
Pakistan's government can start by following up on the review of the 'blasphemy laws' promised last year. We wilfully embrace insanity if we provide impunity for persecution of our minorities, if we pamper militancy on the one hand, and denounce it on the other. If the provincial budget of the Punjab government grants money to banned terrorist outfits, even if it is to their charitable wings, then we are truly embracing insanity. Because this is no political leader using extremist votes to buy power. This is institutionalised support to the same outfits we have banned.
