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Posted on: 17-03-16 18:49:00
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Originally posted by northyork_desi
facts are twisted to suit Congress propaganda. Congress sympathizers are hoping to be back in power next term with these tactics, but its very unlikely with Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi at the top. BJP will win at least next 2 terms, my prediction.
We all want BJP to stay in center for long implementing its original agenda points minus one (building temple). But my prediction is it will not happen and once it goes , BJP will not be back for next 2 terms.
Modi should help his cause and stop all this drama of desh drohi, beef , bharat mata chants and sway people's attention towards some intellectual development points. But His brigade and associates (R S S ) keep coming back with one agenda - hindu rashtra and that is a big ditch they are heading towards.
From looks of it, BJP is setting it up to lose in every state election henceforth and I am not saying so happily. When this happens in 1-2 states , you will see BJP politicians going berserk with scams to exploit to max in their remaining period of power, Modi stranded helpless in 2019. India is / will be betrayed again is easy prediction to make.
Now to all BJP lovers, one question - Why a dynamic leader like AB Vajpayee and his team lost after only ONE term in 2004 ? why people of India will do such a thing of ditching the great PM who brought India to brink of shining on world arena ? Answer to this question can define Modi Government's longevity.
Both above scenarios are not good for the nation. Mainly BJP came on development agenda so they should stay focus on it. Thats it.
The question asked by san-hugo is interesting. I am eager to know the reason.
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A Delhite in Toronto
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Originally posted by san-hugo
Any formation of a group with in a country unless it is political party , vouching only for a certain community or religion and working against other community or set of communities within country , at times resorting violence and propaganda, protesting constitutional provisions, will be bad for country.
examples of such groups are SIMI, JKLF, Mao, Naxals, Hurriyat, Khalistan , even Shiv Sena though a political party when they despise north Indians in mumbai. We all Agree? If no, please voice out why not ( without a personal attack please)
So why RSS is a different group ?
Question is - is RSS an NGO or A Charity group ? if no , then argument holds good that RSS is another group which introduces divide within the country and thus should be criticised.
At the grass root level, RSS collects group of young children in a locality and assemble them at the local play ground. They sing national anthem and other patriotic songs praising our land between the Himalayas and Kanyakumari. The senior members also tell the children about the glory of our past. The members also teach children simple physical exercises to make them understand importance of physical fitness. They also want India to be one without any caste and Hindi as the national language.
Please tell, where do we find hatred for any other group or religion in all this?
In contrast, the groups you have quoted and also many regional political parties exist by creating a feeling of insecurity among the people whom they claim to serve. These groups also indulge in violence and thrive fanning hatred against other communities of peace loving people just because they are not inclined or may not be useful for these groups' existence.
Not surprising that these groups have a snake-mongoose relationship between them and RSS. Just because these anti-national, anti-social and terror groups dislike RSS, is it common sense that we ordinary peace loving people should also dislike RSS.
Just like the Congress came into being and provided great leaders to win us Freedom, RSS too has provided Free India with strong and honest leaders like ABV, Advani and now Modi and Rajnath Singh. The Congress must have been disbanded after 1947 as per Mahatma's advice, but has been taken over by a family causing dynastic rule in a democracy. Just because RSS is anti-dote for this family, is it common sense that ordinary people like us also should hate RSS?
May be RSS will lose their utility in another 50 years and become another Sonia's Congress. But till then we do need the organisation.
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Originally posted by ramar2005
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Originally posted by san-hugo
Any formation of a group with in a country unless it is political party , vouching only for a certain community or religion and working against other community or set of communities within country , at times resorting violence and propaganda, protesting constitutional provisions, will be bad for country.
examples of such groups are SIMI, JKLF, Mao, Naxals, Hurriyat, Khalistan , even Shiv Sena though a political party when they despise north Indians in mumbai. We all Agree? If no, please voice out why not ( without a personal attack please)
So why RSS is a different group ?
Question is - is RSS an NGO or A Charity group ? if no , then argument holds good that RSS is another group which introduces divide within the country and thus should be criticised.
At the grass root level, RSS collects group of young children in a locality and assemble them at the local play ground. They sing national anthem and other patriotic songs praising our land between the Himalayas and Kanyakumari. The senior members also tell the children about the glory of our past. The members also teach children simple physical exercises to make them understand importance of physical fitness. They also want India to be one without any caste and Hindi as the national language.
Please tell, where do we find hatred for any other group or religion in all this?.
Ramar G , I like your conviction. Like you I also wish RSS is merely a fitness center.
If you think RSS has nothing to do with religion, then please explain following statements by the RSS leaders
"Hindustan is a Hindu nation and Hindutva is the identity of our nation"
"Mother Teresa's service would have been good. But it used to have one objective, to convert the person, who was being served, into a Christian"
"If a Hindu has four children, one can work for the country, one can protect the borders, one can join the RSS and one can serve the parents."
"time for Ghar Vapsi "
So please do not copy definition of NCC and paste against RSS.
Lets not fool ourself that RSS is unifying force of nation, it unites some radical hindus for sure, so does Simi for muslims and else where isis....
If you momentarily step out of the British definition of Hinduism as a religion and look at it a social way of life of the civilisation East of sindhu river, none of the above constitutes as extremism. It does not warrant anyone to convert their beliefs, does not kill non believers and advocates the cause of nationalism.
Is there anything similar to AQ, Isis or simi or vhp or bajrang dal or any religious organization?
Enlighten us please.
Hiren
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Originally posted by hchheda
If you momentarily step out of the British definition of Hinduism as a religion and look at it a social way of life of the civilisation East of sindhu river, none of the above constitutes as extremism. It does not warrant anyone to convert their beliefs, does not kill non believers and advocates the cause of nationalism.
Is there anything similar to AQ, Isis or simi or vhp or bajrang dal or any religious organization?
Enlighten us please.
Hiren
Well we can close our eyes and dwell in theory (or ancient times) or open eyes and see what is in practice today. Hindu or Snatan Dharma was way of life , till this was the only way of life in the region, thats how it started but then there was influx of religions into the region of indus above and below and Hindu had to become a religion to get differentiated and followers fill hindu as religion in official forms and fight tooth and nail for the ideology. Way of life is forgotten. So in the context, RSS being the advocate of hindu rashtra, is competing with simis , isiss etc. unfortunate but reality.
Better idea will be not to compete against criminals of simi , isis and denounce the acts of vhp and bajrang dal. But It will be difficult for RSS to stop the nonsense and why should they when BJP and Modi never dissuades ?
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Originally posted by hchheda
If you momentarily step out of the British definition of Hinduism as a religion and look at it a social way of life of the civilisation East of sindhu river, none of the above constitutes as extremism. It does not warrant anyone to convert their beliefs, does not kill non believers and advocates the cause of nationalism.
Hiren
I don't know why you can't see the writing on the wall by RSS and all these 'Hindu' centric groups. What you wrote above is changing quite fast with the advent of BJP in the forefront. What other groups (Muslim extremists, Khalistanis, Naxals, SIMI, JeM, ISIS, etc.) are doing is absolutely wrong and heinous, and equally so is the jingoism of RSS, and other Hindu fringe groups.
Remember, it all starts with jingoism over Religion and Nationalism. They (RSS, BJP, etc.) have already achieved it wholeheartedly. When you have a 'building a temple over Mosque' as an official and deep rooted agenda, then what you see is the making of extremists right from the lower ranks that take up crucial Public offices eventually, and as a result doom the Nation on region, religion, and cast lines (open advocacy of Manusmriti over Indian Constitution).
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