I am not coming to Canada, No no - Coming Now!
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Dear All,

The most awaited day, for which I waited for 3 years came in my life and I WAS NOT HAPPY. I got the waiver on 18th June. Let me list out the reasons,

1 Canadiandesi.com, after reading so many posts I came to know about the reality prevailing at this time.

2 My family, I do not want my family to be broken. My parents are above 70 now and I am the only son.

3 My present financial & professional status in India. I and my wife both work in the booming finance sector in India and the joint income is touching almost 8 lakhs P.A. Net take home comes to almost 55 K.

Let me tell you, I do wish to see the world, earn more money and face new challenges, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY PRESENT. I live in PRESENT and I feel, that is stronger in my case then any other ambitions.

I gave myself 5 options, and after analyzing each and every minute thing attached, I finally selected the 4th option. And that means I am not coming to Canada for settlement.

Here are the 5 options

1 We both Go there, wind up everything here, do part time jobs, study further and start struggling to settle. And most importantly pray to god, that within these 2/3 years, nothing should happen to my family members (major health issues), otherwise, we would have to come back and would ultimately result in to major financial and TIME LOSS.

2 My wife continues here, I reach Canada, do the same thing without her and try calling her after I settle. And then family members can start coming on visitor visas till we reach to a stage of sponsoring them).

3 Completely forget the project and firmly accept to stay in India and grow further. I would even save some 2 lakhs, which is required to be paid before leaving (Rs. 67300 (RCMP) + 65500 (AGENT fees) + 60000 (AIR TICKEST). These two lakhs can once again enable us to re-gain the Indian luxuries like car/ac etc..(I SOLD MY CAR ETC..To cope up with the project's fund requirement).

4 Fourth, which I thought to be more intense one right now, i.e. I go there for 15/20 days alone, take my PR and reach back India. I had long discussions with my boss and leaves up to 20/30 days should not be a problem. With this we would loose 162800 (except my wife's air ticket everything is same as above), but we will take that as investment for future. Because with PR holding, in future I am keeping the option open, or our kids can have their future option open. At least the doors would not be closed for us for ever. After reaching back, we would re-engage ourselves with our Indian work routine and start saving for future. If I do not get what I should be after 2/3 years in my growth path here, at least I can re-open the option of Canada.

5 "We both go together, get the PR, I come back and resume in my duties. My wife stays back with her cousin and start looking for a job (I am yet to check the technicality involved, as whether Principal applicant can come back without SPOUSE). Because at least one positive factor in majority, I have found that females do get jobs fast. If she can sustain for a period of 6 months, I can then join her with more savings. This is a reverse scene then point - 2, but the advantage is that the bigger part of current income is continued. Only my wife's salary loss would take place ,which can be easily replaced by her any part time call centre or banking job in Canada.


Finally I selected the no. 4 option and that too, we both would go in APRIL - 2005 for 20 days and come back with PR. Hence we would have our 5 years clock beginning from 2005. I could have gone alone right now, but when we have an opportunity then why we should not go together for 20 days on a vacation and come back.

I thought of sharing this, as I know there are so many like me in the queue. I seek your valued inputs now, whether you agree/endorse to my decision or not.

Regards,

VJ


And now I changed my decision:


I know, this is going to catch a huge FIRE. But yes, today at this moment I have no doubt whatsoever, that "I AM COMING TO CANADA". I know lot of people (more then 6000 views to my earlier post of NOT COMING TO CANADA), would react in different ways. Some will say, Kya ho gaya, pahele na bolta tha, why he is coming, or some will say, aa gaya na line pe?

But, that’s the way it is. So many things I wrote in my replies about justifications at each step of my decision. But since few days, it’s been a battle of lot of thoughts. Lot of reality based factors. Lot of professional factors. However the reason remains the same as I once again repeat, I always go on three factors "STHAL (PLACE), "SANJOG (CIRCUIMSTANCE) and SAMAY (TIME).

Why I am coming (On personal factors)

I still remember a scene of a Hindi movie called "Dilwale Dulhaniya le jayenge", it was ANUPAM KHER, the father talking to SHAHRUKH KHAN, the son. Shahrukh khan requests Anupam that he wants to go to EUROPE for vacation and first he says no. But listening that the SON decides not to go, he immediately says nahi "TUJE EUROPE JARUR JANA HAI, APNE LIYE NAHI TO MERE LIYE, TUJE MERI JAWANI JINI HAI".

The point is sometimes, one generation has to sacrifice for many more to come. It happens actually, especially in our Indian culture. My father was a simple, small-time Govt. servant. Daily in the morning he used to paddle his HERO CHAMP (I remember the moped name) and slowly at the speed of 30 KPH, he would reach his office and in the evening, I used to wait for him and see him coming back in the same tilted way of sitting on the moped. He worked for 37 long years at the same place. He did manage to bring us up. I had a 100 % physically handicapped sister, who recently died. I have other 2 sisters, who got married within the last 3 years. He got retired in 92 and I had to take over, and that too without completing my Graduation. I could do only a small DIPLOMA. SO today I am once again like my father making two ends meet.

So when I used to see that 3rd or 4th page of my passport since last few days with a WHITE STMAP on it, written as "CANADA VISA", I used to do a lot of SELF TALK. What should I do for my next generation to come? I think I am fighting for myself right now, not for my future generations to come. We owe a lot to the coming world. What I feel is every person, who is the bread winner of his family must have a progressive thinking. Progressive is like X+1 (with a vision of next 2 generations). THE BOTTOMLINE IS I WANT TO CREATE A VERY STRONG UNBREAKABLE PLATFORM FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS (MY KIDS, MY SISTER’S KIDS AND OTHERS) BY EARNING MORE IN A PLACE LIKE CANADA.

Why I am coming (On professional factors)

Recently I got promoted and I came to kutch. I am always attached to a place called BHUJ, which is my native. Somehow after the earthquake and after my survival from the earthquake (as me and my wife do not want to remember the date 26th Jan, I am not writing much about the experience), I took a decision of coming to KUTCH. Now the place for the base station is GANDHIDHAM. And let me tell you its one of the most horrible places I have ever experienced in my life, DUST, POILLUTION, TRANSPORT, WATER, ELECTRICTY PROBLEM, LANGUAGE, MENTALITY OF PEOPLE what not…I generally fit my self in any condition. But this town makes me crazy. Can you believe every night when you finally sleep after a hectic work schedule of 14 hours, Electricity goes off for 3,4,5 hours. My wife and I literally do not sleep. I work in a private insurance company as a branch manager with income more then 6 lakhs P.A and my wife is an ASST MANAGER with a bank earning more then 2.5 lakhs P.A. Can you believe with this kind of income, we can live a king-size life. BUT THIS PLACE CALLED GANDHIDHAM IS NOTHING FOR US. You can’t even breathe well. I can't leave being a senior before 2 years.

So that’s the story so far, I know I may have lot of reactions from you all, but my decision is final now “I AM COMING, NOT FOR THE PRESENT BUT FOR THE FUTURE”

I would surely contribute further on this. I wanted to convey my feeling and the decision, hence I have not written full.


VJ



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Interceptor   
Member since: Jun 04
Posts: 172
Location: Missisauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-08-04 11:18:38

VJ

I think you will come here and never go back!!!!!

I have seen lots of people struggling and suceeding here and also lot who never succeeds but still they are here...why? I dont know as i am still here as i also thought of going back after getting PR.

Now i think let me take citizenship...so cycle goes on and on...In short this is ONE WAY!!!


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abisangi   
Member since: Jun 04
Posts: 17
Location: bangalore India

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-08-04 22:16:23

Dear Abisangi (Rajan),

You are right but I disagree the comparison of 1000 millions to 30 millions. I do not think due to that reason one leaves the country. Don't you feel out of 1000 millions, how many RAJANs would be there? They would surely be in 30 millions. What I mean to say is, if you speak to an individual out of India's 1000 millions, who is doing good, he is not affcted by the dillution problem you have shown. I think its all about how you create your empire. This is what I think, I may be wrong.

But all in all, you are correct that we should have PR as an asset in our hand, rather its a highly liquidates asset for 3 years.

I may also visit Canada by April or May to get my PR. Can't you have expansion of your existing business in Canada?.. I mean you can look out for extending your skills set to canadian market???????


Dear VJ,

Thanks but i understand the difference between 1000million and 30 million because i face the competition here . The competition here is down to earth and when i was at Bangkok i experienced that there was no one to quote we were struggling to get vendors supply equipments.

The prosperity i see in Bangalore is why because somebody in the USA or Canada does not want to pay a software professional 6000 or 8000 dollar and instead willing to pay 600 to 700 dollar to indian profession which is working for indian profession as 50000 or 80000 rupees. Who knows when this is going to burst, i am not comfortable with this kind of market as it can be closed whenever any government wants. I feel this shining is not in healthy grounds. Artificially everone gets salary in the range of 50000 etc.

Further i am exploring possibility of business venture there , but i do not want to mix too many things the one thing i decided is go there and start making life work there. Once i understand the market etc i am going to start a companyin the same name i am having here.

I am also exploring possibility of outsourcing contracts from Canada to India. I am exploring possibility of linking Indian products to Canadian market which i once did when i was in Bangkok, Helping indian company get into Thailand market.

well this is my version

But the bottomline is you have a good paying job here and aged parents and you are the only son. Given these circumstances my advice will be you can take leave go there and validate you PR with you wife and then start keeping options open . I also have my father who is 70 years my mother is 60 years but i am fortunate my brother is here in bangalore. he will support them in my absence. And i am planning to take them for 6months visitor visa in every year. It means they can stay with me for 6months and further 6 months in India. This i can plan avoiding the winter so that they dont face the harsh winter over there.

Good luck keep in touch



infocan   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 281
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-08-04 04:38:26

Guys,
Whosoever people are double minded in India about coming to Canada or not. Just keep one thing in mind. India Produces population equivalent to One Canada every two years. SO in next decade another 5 Canadian equivalent population is going to join us to share our same water, Air, Land Resources.
See how darely Haryana & Rajastan wants more water from Punjab while the situation is such that ground water level goes from 25 foot to 250 foot down in Punjab within last two decades


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practive   
Member since: Apr 04
Posts: 33
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-08-04 21:10:17

Junior,
Wise Descision,
Canada is for people who are not happy in India and have not started their lives,
If you feel you are settled there then please dont come here1 Life is hard her as is anywhere else so dont let greed get the better of you as there is no Gold mine here!

All these Desi Canadians who came here before have too much pride to admit that at least 70% of them regret the descision cause everyone will laugh at them back home in India.
I wish I had friends who would have told me the truth about this place!

Thats all, anyways now that I have managed to settle with much hardships I request all the Desi Canadians not to hide the truths from unsuspecting brotherin,
Cheers


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Ottawa_Nerd   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 1754
Location: Ottawa (Now in Bangalore)

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-08-04 22:29:20

Quote:
Orginally posted by practive

Thats all, anyways now that I have managed to settle with much hardships I request all the Desi Canadians not to hide the truths from unsuspecting brotherin,
Cheers



Ppl will only see this "saala he went there and now he is preaching. If he can do it, so can we".. Thats what ppl will think, and thats what ppl will do ! NO matter what you tell them. Only after they come here and face the realities will they understand what we (desi_canadians) have been saying all along here on this forum.


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mercury6   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 2025
Location: State of Denial

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 15-08-04 20:16:43

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Orginally posted by Ottawa_Nerd

Quote:
Orginally posted by practive

Thats all, anyways now that I have managed to settle with much hardships I request all the Desi Canadians not to hide the truths from unsuspecting brotherin,
Cheers



Ppl will only see this "saala he went there and now he is preaching. If he can do it, so can we".. Thats what ppl will think, and thats what ppl will do ! NO matter what you tell them. Only after they come here and face the realities will they understand what we (desi_canadians) have been saying all along here on this forum.



True.

I say let them come.:D

(and no I am not a Sadist).


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ETH   
Member since: Aug 04
Posts: 19
Location: Dubai

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 16-08-04 01:42:42


Hi VJ,

Your posting is still attracting lots of response from many members. You must have gone through all the replies by now. I would like to know what you are feeling about Canadian immigration and what is your present status of mind.

Regards




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