I am not coming to Canada, No no - Coming Now!
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Dear All,

The most awaited day, for which I waited for 3 years came in my life and I WAS NOT HAPPY. I got the waiver on 18th June. Let me list out the reasons,

1 Canadiandesi.com, after reading so many posts I came to know about the reality prevailing at this time.

2 My family, I do not want my family to be broken. My parents are above 70 now and I am the only son.

3 My present financial & professional status in India. I and my wife both work in the booming finance sector in India and the joint income is touching almost 8 lakhs P.A. Net take home comes to almost 55 K.

Let me tell you, I do wish to see the world, earn more money and face new challenges, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY PRESENT. I live in PRESENT and I feel, that is stronger in my case then any other ambitions.

I gave myself 5 options, and after analyzing each and every minute thing attached, I finally selected the 4th option. And that means I am not coming to Canada for settlement.

Here are the 5 options

1 We both Go there, wind up everything here, do part time jobs, study further and start struggling to settle. And most importantly pray to god, that within these 2/3 years, nothing should happen to my family members (major health issues), otherwise, we would have to come back and would ultimately result in to major financial and TIME LOSS.

2 My wife continues here, I reach Canada, do the same thing without her and try calling her after I settle. And then family members can start coming on visitor visas till we reach to a stage of sponsoring them).

3 Completely forget the project and firmly accept to stay in India and grow further. I would even save some 2 lakhs, which is required to be paid before leaving (Rs. 67300 (RCMP) + 65500 (AGENT fees) + 60000 (AIR TICKEST). These two lakhs can once again enable us to re-gain the Indian luxuries like car/ac etc..(I SOLD MY CAR ETC..To cope up with the project's fund requirement).

4 Fourth, which I thought to be more intense one right now, i.e. I go there for 15/20 days alone, take my PR and reach back India. I had long discussions with my boss and leaves up to 20/30 days should not be a problem. With this we would loose 162800 (except my wife's air ticket everything is same as above), but we will take that as investment for future. Because with PR holding, in future I am keeping the option open, or our kids can have their future option open. At least the doors would not be closed for us for ever. After reaching back, we would re-engage ourselves with our Indian work routine and start saving for future. If I do not get what I should be after 2/3 years in my growth path here, at least I can re-open the option of Canada.

5 "We both go together, get the PR, I come back and resume in my duties. My wife stays back with her cousin and start looking for a job (I am yet to check the technicality involved, as whether Principal applicant can come back without SPOUSE). Because at least one positive factor in majority, I have found that females do get jobs fast. If she can sustain for a period of 6 months, I can then join her with more savings. This is a reverse scene then point - 2, but the advantage is that the bigger part of current income is continued. Only my wife's salary loss would take place ,which can be easily replaced by her any part time call centre or banking job in Canada.


Finally I selected the no. 4 option and that too, we both would go in APRIL - 2005 for 20 days and come back with PR. Hence we would have our 5 years clock beginning from 2005. I could have gone alone right now, but when we have an opportunity then why we should not go together for 20 days on a vacation and come back.

I thought of sharing this, as I know there are so many like me in the queue. I seek your valued inputs now, whether you agree/endorse to my decision or not.

Regards,

VJ


And now I changed my decision:


I know, this is going to catch a huge FIRE. But yes, today at this moment I have no doubt whatsoever, that "I AM COMING TO CANADA". I know lot of people (more then 6000 views to my earlier post of NOT COMING TO CANADA), would react in different ways. Some will say, Kya ho gaya, pahele na bolta tha, why he is coming, or some will say, aa gaya na line pe?

But, that’s the way it is. So many things I wrote in my replies about justifications at each step of my decision. But since few days, it’s been a battle of lot of thoughts. Lot of reality based factors. Lot of professional factors. However the reason remains the same as I once again repeat, I always go on three factors "STHAL (PLACE), "SANJOG (CIRCUIMSTANCE) and SAMAY (TIME).

Why I am coming (On personal factors)

I still remember a scene of a Hindi movie called "Dilwale Dulhaniya le jayenge", it was ANUPAM KHER, the father talking to SHAHRUKH KHAN, the son. Shahrukh khan requests Anupam that he wants to go to EUROPE for vacation and first he says no. But listening that the SON decides not to go, he immediately says nahi "TUJE EUROPE JARUR JANA HAI, APNE LIYE NAHI TO MERE LIYE, TUJE MERI JAWANI JINI HAI".

The point is sometimes, one generation has to sacrifice for many more to come. It happens actually, especially in our Indian culture. My father was a simple, small-time Govt. servant. Daily in the morning he used to paddle his HERO CHAMP (I remember the moped name) and slowly at the speed of 30 KPH, he would reach his office and in the evening, I used to wait for him and see him coming back in the same tilted way of sitting on the moped. He worked for 37 long years at the same place. He did manage to bring us up. I had a 100 % physically handicapped sister, who recently died. I have other 2 sisters, who got married within the last 3 years. He got retired in 92 and I had to take over, and that too without completing my Graduation. I could do only a small DIPLOMA. SO today I am once again like my father making two ends meet.

So when I used to see that 3rd or 4th page of my passport since last few days with a WHITE STMAP on it, written as "CANADA VISA", I used to do a lot of SELF TALK. What should I do for my next generation to come? I think I am fighting for myself right now, not for my future generations to come. We owe a lot to the coming world. What I feel is every person, who is the bread winner of his family must have a progressive thinking. Progressive is like X+1 (with a vision of next 2 generations). THE BOTTOMLINE IS I WANT TO CREATE A VERY STRONG UNBREAKABLE PLATFORM FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS (MY KIDS, MY SISTER’S KIDS AND OTHERS) BY EARNING MORE IN A PLACE LIKE CANADA.

Why I am coming (On professional factors)

Recently I got promoted and I came to kutch. I am always attached to a place called BHUJ, which is my native. Somehow after the earthquake and after my survival from the earthquake (as me and my wife do not want to remember the date 26th Jan, I am not writing much about the experience), I took a decision of coming to KUTCH. Now the place for the base station is GANDHIDHAM. And let me tell you its one of the most horrible places I have ever experienced in my life, DUST, POILLUTION, TRANSPORT, WATER, ELECTRICTY PROBLEM, LANGUAGE, MENTALITY OF PEOPLE what not…I generally fit my self in any condition. But this town makes me crazy. Can you believe every night when you finally sleep after a hectic work schedule of 14 hours, Electricity goes off for 3,4,5 hours. My wife and I literally do not sleep. I work in a private insurance company as a branch manager with income more then 6 lakhs P.A and my wife is an ASST MANAGER with a bank earning more then 2.5 lakhs P.A. Can you believe with this kind of income, we can live a king-size life. BUT THIS PLACE CALLED GANDHIDHAM IS NOTHING FOR US. You can’t even breathe well. I can't leave being a senior before 2 years.

So that’s the story so far, I know I may have lot of reactions from you all, but my decision is final now “I AM COMING, NOT FOR THE PRESENT BUT FOR THE FUTURE”

I would surely contribute further on this. I wanted to convey my feeling and the decision, hence I have not written full.


VJ



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Kap   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 299
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-08-04 08:59:29

Hi VJ,

Nothing impossible ! Come here and try ! :cheers:

I m correcting you that you consider age factor of 50 to take part in race is OK for Inida but in Canada it should be 70.

So, you have 37 years remaining (17 for India +20 in Canada) :D

Best of luck for your PR and enjoy the life in India. Keep in mind one thing that you are doing well in your profession now and have good professional/social status there but not expecting the same here even though you will have good job or business.

My past in Ahmedabad was the same what u have now.


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Kap   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 299
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-08-04 09:03:16

Hi VJ,

Nothing impossible, Come here and try

I m correcting you that you consider age factor of 50 to take part in race is OK for Inida but in Canada it should be 70.

So, you have 37 years remaining (17 for India +20 in Canada) :D

Best of luck for your PR and enjoy the life in India. Keep in mind one thing that you are doing well in your profession now and have good professional/social status there but not expecting the same here even though you will have good job or business.

My past in Ahmedabad was the same what u have now.


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Kap


VJ   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-08-04 09:39:44

Quote:
Orginally posted by VJ


For me upto age-50 one can actively involve in the race. Its all mind game, one would hev to be focused for the goal, age does not matter at that time. When I see people migrating at 40 or 45, I feel I am still young.

VJ.



Dear Kap,

I think, you have misunderstood. What I have written is UPTO age 50 one can be in the race. I mean to say, one can actively work and take challenges up to 50 (in fact for taking new challenges even 50 is too old).

Thanks for all your wishes. Its good to hear that you have overcome your past, which is my present. Can you share a little more that journey?

Regards,

VJ



Kap   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 299
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-08-04 10:10:04

Yes VJ,

I m not misunderstood about the age factor.

Here people is working in their age 50 to 70 like in India we are in 30 to 50.

People of age 60 years look likes 40 -45 years, much healthy and much active.


I am Chartered Accountant and working 15 years in Finance, Accounting and Audit field in Ahmedabad. I am Ahmedabadi and had a good earning practice there.

Toronto is good place for Finance and Accouning people. But, keep in mind that for doing Financial business/consultancy in Canada, you should require more marketing / MBA skills then finance & accounting expertise.

Please go through various financial schemes like Bank depostis, mortgage, Mutual Funds, LIC, RESP, RRSP etc in details then u feel that they offer nothing in term of return but they talk/show like they provide excellent return you.

People in Canada are very nice for business.

You can notice that no desi who are in business or migrated 10 years ago are not on canadiandesi.com's forum. They are well established here.




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VJ   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-08-04 11:06:42

Dear KAP,

A very interesting analysis indeed. Thanks a lot for further inputs. Well I am not an MBA, but holds a hardcore journey of 13 years in marketing & Sales now. I am not even a graduate to your surprise but have dealt with products like IBMs & Compaqs and working with one of the most popular finance companies in INDIA. In all I have experience of 13 years in IT, POwer conditioning & FInance (Insurance).

So what is your feedback on above?..will this profile work if I come to canada ?, it has deffinitely worked in INDIA. by grace of god, I have never searched a job in INDIA. Every 2/3 years, you start receiving calls from HR consultants if you are a performer.

Thanks again,

Rgds,

VJ



Kap   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 299
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-08-04 11:41:06

Quote:
Orginally posted by VJ

Dear KAP,

So what is your feedback on above?..will this profile work if I come to canada ?, it has deffinitely worked in INDIA. by grace of god, I have never searched a job in INDIA. Every 2/3 years, you start receiving calls from HR consultants if you are a performer.

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Yes, your experience and confidence is definitely works here.

Most of our educated desi are failed here, because they are much believed only in their education/high degree and experience and merits.
They ignore the other factors/criteria of Canadian recruiters.

IT and Marketing combo is definetely works here. Here are many IT companies for you. I am working in a mediam company where there is no need of any ERP but IT company sell their ERP product @ million of cost to our company. Here are many example of like this.

In a safer side, you should add French language in your profile.


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VJ   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 20-08-04 10:03:36

Dear KAP,

Hamare gujarati main ek kahavat hai (I don't know whether you are gujju?)..."BHANATAR KARTA GADTAR NU VADHARE MAHATVA CHHE". I mean in india "PADHAI SE JYADA JARURI INSAAN KI GADHAI HOTI HAI"..

But please do not misunderstand me, I value education a lot, its the fundamental thing, which opens the gate of our mind. Now since seniority and time has enabled me to think for further studies, I am aleready doing my graduation. By the way, I am not totally ANAPADH. I have done my mechanical engineering-diploma. I am even AMFI certified. But this has never been a hurdle to me.

Thanks again for further inputs. If at all circuimstance changes in the next year and if it pushes me to migrate, then I would surely think of FRENCH language addition. But I am sure, that future in INDIA would be better for me if I keep on performing like this.

Regards,

VJ




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