I am not coming to Canada, No no - Coming Now!
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Dear All,

The most awaited day, for which I waited for 3 years came in my life and I WAS NOT HAPPY. I got the waiver on 18th June. Let me list out the reasons,

1 Canadiandesi.com, after reading so many posts I came to know about the reality prevailing at this time.

2 My family, I do not want my family to be broken. My parents are above 70 now and I am the only son.

3 My present financial & professional status in India. I and my wife both work in the booming finance sector in India and the joint income is touching almost 8 lakhs P.A. Net take home comes to almost 55 K.

Let me tell you, I do wish to see the world, earn more money and face new challenges, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY PRESENT. I live in PRESENT and I feel, that is stronger in my case then any other ambitions.

I gave myself 5 options, and after analyzing each and every minute thing attached, I finally selected the 4th option. And that means I am not coming to Canada for settlement.

Here are the 5 options

1 We both Go there, wind up everything here, do part time jobs, study further and start struggling to settle. And most importantly pray to god, that within these 2/3 years, nothing should happen to my family members (major health issues), otherwise, we would have to come back and would ultimately result in to major financial and TIME LOSS.

2 My wife continues here, I reach Canada, do the same thing without her and try calling her after I settle. And then family members can start coming on visitor visas till we reach to a stage of sponsoring them).

3 Completely forget the project and firmly accept to stay in India and grow further. I would even save some 2 lakhs, which is required to be paid before leaving (Rs. 67300 (RCMP) + 65500 (AGENT fees) + 60000 (AIR TICKEST). These two lakhs can once again enable us to re-gain the Indian luxuries like car/ac etc..(I SOLD MY CAR ETC..To cope up with the project's fund requirement).

4 Fourth, which I thought to be more intense one right now, i.e. I go there for 15/20 days alone, take my PR and reach back India. I had long discussions with my boss and leaves up to 20/30 days should not be a problem. With this we would loose 162800 (except my wife's air ticket everything is same as above), but we will take that as investment for future. Because with PR holding, in future I am keeping the option open, or our kids can have their future option open. At least the doors would not be closed for us for ever. After reaching back, we would re-engage ourselves with our Indian work routine and start saving for future. If I do not get what I should be after 2/3 years in my growth path here, at least I can re-open the option of Canada.

5 "We both go together, get the PR, I come back and resume in my duties. My wife stays back with her cousin and start looking for a job (I am yet to check the technicality involved, as whether Principal applicant can come back without SPOUSE). Because at least one positive factor in majority, I have found that females do get jobs fast. If she can sustain for a period of 6 months, I can then join her with more savings. This is a reverse scene then point - 2, but the advantage is that the bigger part of current income is continued. Only my wife's salary loss would take place ,which can be easily replaced by her any part time call centre or banking job in Canada.


Finally I selected the no. 4 option and that too, we both would go in APRIL - 2005 for 20 days and come back with PR. Hence we would have our 5 years clock beginning from 2005. I could have gone alone right now, but when we have an opportunity then why we should not go together for 20 days on a vacation and come back.

I thought of sharing this, as I know there are so many like me in the queue. I seek your valued inputs now, whether you agree/endorse to my decision or not.

Regards,

VJ


And now I changed my decision:


I know, this is going to catch a huge FIRE. But yes, today at this moment I have no doubt whatsoever, that "I AM COMING TO CANADA". I know lot of people (more then 6000 views to my earlier post of NOT COMING TO CANADA), would react in different ways. Some will say, Kya ho gaya, pahele na bolta tha, why he is coming, or some will say, aa gaya na line pe?

But, that’s the way it is. So many things I wrote in my replies about justifications at each step of my decision. But since few days, it’s been a battle of lot of thoughts. Lot of reality based factors. Lot of professional factors. However the reason remains the same as I once again repeat, I always go on three factors "STHAL (PLACE), "SANJOG (CIRCUIMSTANCE) and SAMAY (TIME).

Why I am coming (On personal factors)

I still remember a scene of a Hindi movie called "Dilwale Dulhaniya le jayenge", it was ANUPAM KHER, the father talking to SHAHRUKH KHAN, the son. Shahrukh khan requests Anupam that he wants to go to EUROPE for vacation and first he says no. But listening that the SON decides not to go, he immediately says nahi "TUJE EUROPE JARUR JANA HAI, APNE LIYE NAHI TO MERE LIYE, TUJE MERI JAWANI JINI HAI".

The point is sometimes, one generation has to sacrifice for many more to come. It happens actually, especially in our Indian culture. My father was a simple, small-time Govt. servant. Daily in the morning he used to paddle his HERO CHAMP (I remember the moped name) and slowly at the speed of 30 KPH, he would reach his office and in the evening, I used to wait for him and see him coming back in the same tilted way of sitting on the moped. He worked for 37 long years at the same place. He did manage to bring us up. I had a 100 % physically handicapped sister, who recently died. I have other 2 sisters, who got married within the last 3 years. He got retired in 92 and I had to take over, and that too without completing my Graduation. I could do only a small DIPLOMA. SO today I am once again like my father making two ends meet.

So when I used to see that 3rd or 4th page of my passport since last few days with a WHITE STMAP on it, written as "CANADA VISA", I used to do a lot of SELF TALK. What should I do for my next generation to come? I think I am fighting for myself right now, not for my future generations to come. We owe a lot to the coming world. What I feel is every person, who is the bread winner of his family must have a progressive thinking. Progressive is like X+1 (with a vision of next 2 generations). THE BOTTOMLINE IS I WANT TO CREATE A VERY STRONG UNBREAKABLE PLATFORM FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS (MY KIDS, MY SISTER’S KIDS AND OTHERS) BY EARNING MORE IN A PLACE LIKE CANADA.

Why I am coming (On professional factors)

Recently I got promoted and I came to kutch. I am always attached to a place called BHUJ, which is my native. Somehow after the earthquake and after my survival from the earthquake (as me and my wife do not want to remember the date 26th Jan, I am not writing much about the experience), I took a decision of coming to KUTCH. Now the place for the base station is GANDHIDHAM. And let me tell you its one of the most horrible places I have ever experienced in my life, DUST, POILLUTION, TRANSPORT, WATER, ELECTRICTY PROBLEM, LANGUAGE, MENTALITY OF PEOPLE what not…I generally fit my self in any condition. But this town makes me crazy. Can you believe every night when you finally sleep after a hectic work schedule of 14 hours, Electricity goes off for 3,4,5 hours. My wife and I literally do not sleep. I work in a private insurance company as a branch manager with income more then 6 lakhs P.A and my wife is an ASST MANAGER with a bank earning more then 2.5 lakhs P.A. Can you believe with this kind of income, we can live a king-size life. BUT THIS PLACE CALLED GANDHIDHAM IS NOTHING FOR US. You can’t even breathe well. I can't leave being a senior before 2 years.

So that’s the story so far, I know I may have lot of reactions from you all, but my decision is final now “I AM COMING, NOT FOR THE PRESENT BUT FOR THE FUTURE”

I would surely contribute further on this. I wanted to convey my feeling and the decision, hence I have not written full.


VJ



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Kap   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 299
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-08-04 15:03:17

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Orginally posted by the-entrepreneur

For Kap-
Mebbe somewhere in India people work 12 hours a day and still say fursateech hai. Ask the lakhs of commuters who go in stinky boogies from the suburbs to churchgate everyday in Mumbai and some who are here now and thank God the buses and trains here at least have proper seating places. They don't have to hang out of the train when they commute. Ask those who commute between Pune and Mumbai daily. Phir boss aur khali phir apun ko bolna ke people work 12 hrs and still have time on their hands. Aap lagre hain Mumbai mein yeh daily commute nahin kiyela hai, bai.
Anyway to each their own idea. India is full of different types of people who have numerous ways of looking at things.

Bambai ka babu.



Ya Bambai ka babu,

Mumbai ki baat alaag key!

VJ and I , from Ahmedabad and I went for movies, club, restaurant etc there after working 12 hrs a day, I have sufficient TIME.

BTW, there is excellent express highway between Pune and Mumbai and now its easy to go daily Pune.

Mumbai ke maaza kuchh aur hey. I was there in Ghatkopar E for 2 years and really enjoyed Mumbai ka life.


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the-entrepreneur   
Member since: Jul 04
Posts: 190
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-08-04 17:30:42

Hey guye and gals as this thread also talks about the hardships newcomers face in geting jobs in consonance with their qualifications- i am including here the story of one guy who finally got a job- just read how. This was printed in this week's South Asian Observer, one of the English language South Asian newspapers here in Toronto. Both sad and amusing in my opinion .


Dear Editor,

A few weeks ago, your paper printed my letter where I stated that I had worked on the team of an MP who got elected to parliament and had urged them to do something about getting people placed in jobs of their field. I had also commented that whenever they said “desi” they actually only meant Punjabi, and that they didn’t care at all about the Pakistanis. Portuguese, Italians, Vietnamese and all other nationalities are also OK, but not non-Punjabi Indians, nor Pakistanis , nor Bangaldeshi nor Sri Lankans.
Please note that weekend I got a phone call from one of the permanent members on the team who told me that he had arranged for four (count them 1,2,3,4) interviews for me. I went for all 4 interviews and was accepted at all 4 companies without a second interview! I was shocked but at the same time very happy. I had previously applied to one of the companies and had been refused. I called my benefactor and thanked him profusely and asked him if he could also place one of my friends. His reply was very blunt. He said he helped me because I had worked to help elect his leader. He couldn’t do anything for my friends! This time I was doubly shocked!
It is now slightly over a month since I started my new job and perhaps I should keep quiet, but my conscience is eating me badly. Despite having a job in my field with more than double the salary I was getting at a giant chain store of electronics, I cannot properly sleep at night. I had come here over a year ago thinking this was a land where one could get ahead with one’s own merit! Instead, I find that the right connections are also needed here like in India. This is terrible. I left India to escape all the favoritism nonsense that is there only to find it prevalent here as well.
Is this what all professional immigrants are supposed to do? Come here and waste away doing low profile jobs until an election comes along, work on a team to elect the aspirant to the House of Commons and wait for him or her to reward us with a job in our field? Will the MPs we elected not fight for us just to help us and the Canadian economy or is it that they are also super selfish like the politicians in India?
I don’t know if the same white forces that helped me get a job will turn dark once they read this letter and strip me of my job, I don’t think they will, but at least I have got what I wanted to say off my chest. Even if they helped one poor soul like me to find a job in my field, the whole method stinks and is totally unjust!

Thanking you,

Kanishka Puttarama




If it was me- I would have shut up and got along with my job and life, but kudos to this guy to bring the whole injustice of it all to our attention.

This is for you also Clint- just as an FYI.

Bambai ka babu




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Ottawa_Nerd   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 1754
Location: Ottawa (Now in Bangalore)

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-08-04 17:50:52

HO HO Ho... All Bunkum my friend
As that old adage goes
"900 chhuhe khaker Billi Hajja karne ko chali"...
No guilty conscience, no nothing !... Plain and simple


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the-entrepreneur   
Member since: Jul 04
Posts: 190
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-08-04 18:18:27

Hey Ottawa nerd- that the guy Kanishka's conscience is eatin' him even I feel is doubtful- but somehow i do believe his story that the MP placed him and has contacts to place 4 people but is not doing it except to help those who help them. What would it have mattered if the team guy placed another of his friends? Uska nam roshan ho jata tha aur uska leader ka aur uska party ka.
Anyway, I don't know what your saw means- People usually go and ask forgiveness after they have committed a sin. 'tis a dull and insipid truism unless I am missing something.

Bambai ka babu.


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Ottawa_Nerd   
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Location: Ottawa (Now in Bangalore)

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-08-04 18:21:55

Bidu what I meant was that he finally had time in his hands after using the "sifarshi" route to get a high paying job and was bitchin' around (no rather whining around) abt how his consicience was hurting him !.. Thats my simple honest assesment :)


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the-entrepreneur   
Member since: Jul 04
Posts: 190
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-08-04 19:37:04

Hey Clint- S'up pal? Like you hit the ton man. More'n' a 100 replies! Congrats yaar!
Bambai ka babu


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roopambaijal   
Member since: Jan 04
Posts: 11
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 27-08-04 14:03:58

just a pointer to a phrase \"girls are doing well here\", you want to say that girls are more determined to achieve success in CANADA.....hats off to indian girls....your fellow man have started to recognise your efforts....and for all dowry thirsty parents of foreign settled boyz, note this very valid point girls have beaten indian machos in getting accepted to foreign work speed and demands..........HATS OFF:cheers:




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